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If I was going to switch anyway, I wouldn't switch to Azure DevOps Server, I'd switch to GitHub Enterprise. I don't think there's much of a future for Azure Dev

If I was going to switch anyway, I wouldn't switch to Azure DevOps Server, I'd switch to GitHub Enterprise. I don't think there's much of a future for Azure DevOps.

pc86 6y ago
> I don't think there's much of a future for Azure DevOps. This is just... wow. Every Microsoft shop I've ever worked at defaults to Azure. You need a really good reason to use GCP or AWS for anything, and it's an uphill battle. They're already paying licensing fees to Microsoft, there are incentives and discounts to stay within the ecosystem. My current employer has GitHub Enterprise and we still use DevOps for a lot of stuff, especially anything that business stakeholders have to touch.
- throwaways885 6y ago
  I think GP is more referring to the fact that GitHub Actions et al are a better reimplementation of Azure DevOps. I suspect Azure DevOps will be deprecated in favour of GitHub.
  - wokwokwok 6y ago
    This shouldn’t be downvoted, I’m certain it’s true. If you talk to a Microsoft rep, they “recommend github enterprise for new projects”. Microsoft obviously cares about backwards compatibility, and there is no way to currently migrate your stuff. So... it’s not going to happen tomorrow, but it is going to happen. ...and no, it doesn’t have the nice clickops UI from devops: but that’s legacy now in favour of the multistage yaml pipelines. You can close your eyes and cross your fingers and say Azure Devops will Be around forever... but, you’d be wrong.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > Every Microsoft shop I've ever worked at defaults to Azure. You need a really good reason to use GCP or AWS for anything, and it's an uphill battle (1) Github Enterprise, the alternative suggested, is a Microsoft product (Github is Microsoft), not GCP or AWS. Given the way Microsoft seems to be investing and promoting products, seeing Github Enterprise as having more legs than Azure DevOps is completely reasonable. (And I'm the one who introduced Azure DevOps into the discussion.) (2) I work for what has historically been an enterprise Microsoft shop; our cloud transition, except for some use of Github and Azure AD, been primarily AWS-based.
  - tluyben2 6y ago
    > been primarily AWS-based. Same here for the MS shops I work with; actually no Azure at all.
- nullsense 6y ago
  I work in a Microsoft shop and we're all in on AWS. Seen a few transition from Azure to AWS also.
- Bombthecat 6y ago
  I built a pipeline for testing purposes / for an upcoming presentation with github actions. The amount of bugs i encountered is.. Bad. From not starting build agents, to stopped agents to hanging etc etc etc.. That said: i looooove the docker container concept for builders :)
lemax 6y ago
Azure devops was the first to offer Windows based self-hosted runners - if you’re stuck in the drudgery of building Windows software, because your customers only run Windows servers, it was pretty much the only modern devops option for a while. I don’t think Devops is going anywhere anytime soon, I’ve heard utilization is quite high.

If I was going to switch anyway, I wouldn't switch to Azure DevOps Server, I'd switch to GitHub Enterprise. I don't think there's much of a future for Azure DevOps.

pc86 6y ago

> I don't think there's much of a future for Azure DevOps. This is just... wow. Every Microsoft shop I've ever worked at defaults to Azure. You need a really good reason to use GCP or AWS for anything, and it's an uphill battle. They're already paying licensing fees to Microsoft, there are incentives and discounts to stay within the ecosystem. My current employer has GitHub Enterprise and we still use DevOps for a lot of stuff, especially anything that business stakeholders have to touch.

throwaways885 6y ago
I think GP is more referring to the fact that GitHub Actions et al are a better reimplementation of Azure DevOps. I suspect Azure DevOps will be deprecated in favour of GitHub.
- wokwokwok 6y ago
  This shouldn’t be downvoted, I’m certain it’s true. If you talk to a Microsoft rep, they “recommend github enterprise for new projects”. Microsoft obviously cares about backwards compatibility, and there is no way to currently migrate your stuff. So... it’s not going to happen tomorrow, but it is going to happen. ...and no, it doesn’t have the nice clickops UI from devops: but that’s legacy now in favour of the multistage yaml pipelines. You can close your eyes and cross your fingers and say Azure Devops will Be around forever... but, you’d be wrong.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> Every Microsoft shop I've ever worked at defaults to Azure. You need a really good reason to use GCP or AWS for anything, and it's an uphill battle (1) Github Enterprise, the alternative suggested, is a Microsoft product (Github is Microsoft), not GCP or AWS. Given the way Microsoft seems to be investing and promoting products, seeing Github Enterprise as having more legs than Azure DevOps is completely reasonable. (And I'm the one who introduced Azure DevOps into the discussion.) (2) I work for what has historically been an enterprise Microsoft shop; our cloud transition, except for some use of Github and Azure AD, been primarily AWS-based.
- tluyben2 6y ago
  > been primarily AWS-based. Same here for the MS shops I work with; actually no Azure at all.
nullsense 6y ago
I work in a Microsoft shop and we're all in on AWS. Seen a few transition from Azure to AWS also.
Bombthecat 6y ago
I built a pipeline for testing purposes / for an upcoming presentation with github actions. The amount of bugs i encountered is.. Bad. From not starting build agents, to stopped agents to hanging etc etc etc.. That said: i looooove the docker container concept for builders :)

lemax 6y ago

Azure devops was the first to offer Windows based self-hosted runners - if you’re stuck in the drudgery of building Windows software, because your customers only run Windows servers, it was pretty much the only modern devops option for a while. I don’t think Devops is going anywhere anytime soon, I’ve heard utilization is quite high.