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Europe's a broken record because awful companies won't stop acting awfully with PII. it's my information. You have no right to any of it without my explicit inf

Europe's a broken record because awful companies won't stop acting awfully with PII. it's my information. You have no right to any of it without my explicit informed consent for every aspect of the collection, use, distribution,and storage until it is provably deleted. Should you mishandle it and lose it I should be guaranteed compensation in the same way that banks deposits are insured to a certain amount. >managed to completely obliterate whatever was left of european advertising agencies That's a huge win in my books. I take the stance that advertising is a cancer on society wasting: lives,talent, and finite resources while doing what good for society exactly? For every campaign that does measurable good I can usually argue that either the campaign wouldn't be necessary without advertisings infectious tendrils everywhere, or the effect is virtually worthless in the face of the overwhelming scaleof resources wasted on useless advertisement campaigns.

cblconfederate 6y ago
> it's my information. You have no right to any If it was yours, you would be able to sell it in exchange for something else. The EU's rules forbid this, basically giving ownership to the state Also, let's be clear, it's not only YOUR information since you didn't collect it yourself, there could be an explicit formula about how much of it is yours. Just because GDPR says so doesn't mean it s correct. also > I take the stance that advertising is a cancer on society wasting: lives,talen half the "articles" you read here is advertising
- xg15 6y ago
  > If it was yours, you would be able to sell it in exchange for something else. Where can I sell my information in the US? Oh wait, I can't, tech companies see it as a harvestable resource that they expect to get for free. With GDPR's consent framework, I now could genuinely sell my data if I wanted to do so.
  - cblconfederate 6y ago
    > I can't, tech companies see You are right. But i could see a market forming if e.g. chinese companies were allowed to compete and offered direct monetary incentive to acquire users (would be cheaper than the ad spending they do) >GDPR's consent framework, I now could genuinely sell my data you couldn't because they are used for advertising, which is notnecessary for the provision of the service: https://gdpr.eu/gdpr-consent-requirements/ https://gdpr.eu/gdpr-consent-requirements/
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- viraptor 6y ago
  > you would be able to sell it in exchange for something else. The EU's rules forbid this Which rules? GDPR is all about being explicit about how the data is used and the right to choose. What is the rule preventing you from offering a service explicitly allowing people to sell their information?
  - cblconfederate 6y ago
    https://gdpr.eu/gdpr-consent-requirements/ https://gdpr.eu/gdpr-consent-requirements/ > “Freely given” consent essentially means you have not cornered the data subject into agreeing to you using their data. For one thing, that means you cannot require consent to data processing as a condition of using the service. They need to be able to say no. According to Recital 42, “Consent should not be regarded as freely given if the data subject has no genuine or free choice or is unable to refuse or withdraw consent without detriment.” > 4. When assessing whether consent is freely given, utmost account shall be taken of whether, inter alia, the performance of a contract, including the provision of a service, is conditional on consent to the processing of personal data that is not necessary for the performance of that contract.
    - viraptor 6y ago
      That point applies to just one of the bases. It's basically for the extra information which you don't require, but still want. If your business explicitly deals in user information: > In order for processing to be lawful, personal data should be processed on the basis of the consent of the data subject concerned or some other legitimate basis > ... these are the other legal bases: > 1. Processing is necessary to satisfy a contract to which the data subject is a party. In that business it's necessary to share the data which is being sold. It's part of the contract. As long as you comply with notification, listing 3rd parties, and other relevant points, you can require and sell that data.
      - cblconfederate 6y ago
        Can a publisher demand "user information" in exchange for reading an article, even if it lists 1500 trackers, even if it's part of the contract? No , GDPR forbids it. That's the gist of the matter. Private information is not tradeable, therefore it's not really property, and certainly not owned by the users since they can't sell it for goods they readily want to acquire. The clause you quote only applies if the private info is necessary for the service rendered. GDPR considers advertising optional, despite the fact that it's crucial for the survival of websites.
- olliej 6y ago
  Yeah, and I hate those "articles" and flag them.

cblconfederate 6y ago

> it's my information. You have no right to any If it was yours, you would be able to sell it in exchange for something else. The EU's rules forbid this, basically giving ownership to the state Also, let's be clear, it's not only YOUR information since you didn't collect it yourself, there could be an explicit formula about how much of it is yours. Just because GDPR says so doesn't mean it s correct. also > I take the stance that advertising is a cancer on society wasting: lives,talen half the "articles" you read here is advertising

xg15 6y ago
> If it was yours, you would be able to sell it in exchange for something else. Where can I sell my information in the US? Oh wait, I can't, tech companies see it as a harvestable resource that they expect to get for free. With GDPR's consent framework, I now could genuinely sell my data if I wanted to do so.
- cblconfederate 6y ago
  > I can't, tech companies see You are right. But i could see a market forming if e.g. chinese companies were allowed to compete and offered direct monetary incentive to acquire users (would be cheaper than the ad spending they do) >GDPR's consent framework, I now could genuinely sell my data you couldn't because they are used for advertising, which is notnecessary for the provision of the service: https://gdpr.eu/gdpr-consent-requirements/ https://gdpr.eu/gdpr-consent-requirements/
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viraptor 6y ago
> you would be able to sell it in exchange for something else. The EU's rules forbid this Which rules? GDPR is all about being explicit about how the data is used and the right to choose. What is the rule preventing you from offering a service explicitly allowing people to sell their information?
- cblconfederate 6y ago
  https://gdpr.eu/gdpr-consent-requirements/ https://gdpr.eu/gdpr-consent-requirements/ > “Freely given” consent essentially means you have not cornered the data subject into agreeing to you using their data. For one thing, that means you cannot require consent to data processing as a condition of using the service. They need to be able to say no. According to Recital 42, “Consent should not be regarded as freely given if the data subject has no genuine or free choice or is unable to refuse or withdraw consent without detriment.” > 4. When assessing whether consent is freely given, utmost account shall be taken of whether, inter alia, the performance of a contract, including the provision of a service, is conditional on consent to the processing of personal data that is not necessary for the performance of that contract.
  - viraptor 6y ago
    That point applies to just one of the bases. It's basically for the extra information which you don't require, but still want. If your business explicitly deals in user information: > In order for processing to be lawful, personal data should be processed on the basis of the consent of the data subject concerned or some other legitimate basis > ... these are the other legal bases: > 1. Processing is necessary to satisfy a contract to which the data subject is a party. In that business it's necessary to share the data which is being sold. It's part of the contract. As long as you comply with notification, listing 3rd parties, and other relevant points, you can require and sell that data.
    - cblconfederate 6y ago
      Can a publisher demand "user information" in exchange for reading an article, even if it lists 1500 trackers, even if it's part of the contract? No , GDPR forbids it. That's the gist of the matter. Private information is not tradeable, therefore it's not really property, and certainly not owned by the users since they can't sell it for goods they readily want to acquire. The clause you quote only applies if the private info is necessary for the service rendered. GDPR considers advertising optional, despite the fact that it's crucial for the survival of websites.
olliej 6y ago
Yeah, and I hate those "articles" and flag them.