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Neo-Nazis, ISIS members, Proud Boys? Murder, arson, kidnapping? Hate speech, harassment, cyberstalking? Like in the 1940s, when we failed to take extremism se

Neo-Nazis, ISIS members, Proud Boys? Murder, arson, kidnapping? Hate speech, harassment, cyberstalking? Like in the 1940s, when we failed to take extremism seriously and 6+ million were killed?

chrisco255 6y ago
What about Communists? Socialists? Libertarians? PETA? Antifa? Twitter's executive board? Are they extremists? I can find probably millions of people that would agree that they are in fact, extremists. In fact, the Nazis argued that Jews and Communists were evil. Of course, in Soviet Russia and China, the anti-communists were the extremists...and died by the tens of millions as a result. To the extent that laws are actually broken, those crimes should be prosecuted. Speech is a natural right and needs to be protected as such. The U.S. went through the 40s all the while generally protecting the first amendment. The German Nazis went around torturing and bullying everyone who disagreed with them. Your proposal is closer to Nazism than anything I've heard of.
- 4ggr0 6y ago
  You know, I'm not from the US, so I probably have a different view on free speech. People should be allowed to say what they want, BUT - If anyone thinks that they have to say or think that jews/black people/woman are evil, less worth etc., they can fuck right off. In my opinion there's no justifiable reason whatsoever to be racist, xenophobic and the like.
  - namero999 6y ago
    Don't get me wrong, I perfectly know what you mean, and on a certain level I perfectly agree... but where do you draw the line? What about THEIR opinions about YOUR opinions? Do you see what I mean? I think the only reasonable place where to draw the line is the public incitement of violence over other people. If someone thinks that blacks/woman are less worthy, I'd rather try to engage them in discourse or, last resort, ignore them. But censor them is a double edged sword.
    - 4ggr0 6y ago
      You know, you are really opening my eyes right now. I never really thought about this aspect. With "engage them" you mean that you rather talk to them, right?
      - namero999 6y ago
        Yes, engage in discourse. I mean, have a conversation and argument why I think they are wrong or whatever. I don't see any other way, to hate or shut off the haters doesn't sound like a solution, because from a certain perspective we are the "other side" too. It's delicate.
baggy_trough 6y ago
Communism and socialism were the most murderous ideologies of the past 100 years. Should we not consider communists and socialist to be extremists?

Neo-Nazis, ISIS members, Proud Boys? Murder, arson, kidnapping? Hate speech, harassment, cyberstalking? Like in the 1940s, when we failed to take extremism seriously and 6+ million were killed?

chrisco255 6y ago

What about Communists? Socialists? Libertarians? PETA? Antifa? Twitter's executive board? Are they extremists? I can find probably millions of people that would agree that they are in fact, extremists. In fact, the Nazis argued that Jews and Communists were evil. Of course, in Soviet Russia and China, the anti-communists were the extremists...and died by the tens of millions as a result. To the extent that laws are actually broken, those crimes should be prosecuted. Speech is a natural right and needs to be protected as such. The U.S. went through the 40s all the while generally protecting the first amendment. The German Nazis went around torturing and bullying everyone who disagreed with them. Your proposal is closer to Nazism than anything I've heard of.

4ggr0 6y ago
You know, I'm not from the US, so I probably have a different view on free speech. People should be allowed to say what they want, BUT - If anyone thinks that they have to say or think that jews/black people/woman are evil, less worth etc., they can fuck right off. In my opinion there's no justifiable reason whatsoever to be racist, xenophobic and the like.
- namero999 6y ago
  Don't get me wrong, I perfectly know what you mean, and on a certain level I perfectly agree... but where do you draw the line? What about THEIR opinions about YOUR opinions? Do you see what I mean? I think the only reasonable place where to draw the line is the public incitement of violence over other people. If someone thinks that blacks/woman are less worthy, I'd rather try to engage them in discourse or, last resort, ignore them. But censor them is a double edged sword.
  - 4ggr0 6y ago
    You know, you are really opening my eyes right now. I never really thought about this aspect. With "engage them" you mean that you rather talk to them, right?
    - namero999 6y ago
      Yes, engage in discourse. I mean, have a conversation and argument why I think they are wrong or whatever. I don't see any other way, to hate or shut off the haters doesn't sound like a solution, because from a certain perspective we are the "other side" too. It's delicate.

baggy_trough 6y ago

Communism and socialism were the most murderous ideologies of the past 100 years. Should we not consider communists and socialist to be extremists?