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What's the catch?

by illuminati1911 6y ago

What's the catch?

CyanBird 6y ago
You are the exit node for other people's browsing, which can be rather scary
- sJ646U9k6c6gME9 6y ago
  It’s clearly not made for people who don’t want their dog shot by fed bois.
  - hansvm 6y ago
    Oh thanks, that makes sense. I was trying to figure out what the upside was for this, but I forgot about the 1-on-1 potential with the feds. It's pretty hard to get in touch with them otherwise.
    - dmqctx 6y ago
      It's actually not that difficult. Our business had a massive illegal purchase attempted by a shady character. Googled FBI location closest to me. Actually got a human to answer and discussed how we should proceed. Surprised me much.
- cryptoquick 6y ago
  So, wait... Let me get this straight-- This is a p2p VPN, so, it basically routes other people's potentially illegal activities through your own IP address, so you can do the same over other people's IP addresses? And they don't even mention that fact on the front page? Talk about disingenuous... Like, goddamn, VPNs aren't THAT expensive. Not compared to, IDK, a lawyer, or missing a day of work because you're in a jail cell, trying to explain to some cop that you installed a program on your computer that let other people you don't know do random stuff on the internet over your internet connection without your own knowledge or involvement, and you aren't complicit in any way...
  - deanclatworthy 6y ago
    Exactly. There is no "hiding in the masses", there is no "plausible deniability" going on here. If someone downloads CP or terrorist manuals using your connection, try explaining that to the dumb cops that you were using a p2p distributed VPN and that it "honestly wasn't me officer".
ian-bateman 6y ago
No catch! We're genuinely trying to build a product that will help protect user privacy online :)
- aliakhtar 6y ago
  Why not build your own VPN protocol similar to VyperVPN, but make it so ISPs in repressive regimes can’t tell the user is using a VPN? What’s the advantage of a p2p model instead of a better / stealthy VPN protocol that can’t be blocked, which you can also commercialise?
  - ian-bateman 6y ago
    The reasoning behind a p2p model is largely so that we don't have the massive overhead of traditional VPN companies & are able to offer the service entirely for free. Not having the overhead allows us to explore different potential methods of monetization that might not be feasible otherwise.

What's the catch?

CyanBird 6y ago

You are the exit node for other people's browsing, which can be rather scary

sJ646U9k6c6gME9 6y ago
It’s clearly not made for people who don’t want their dog shot by fed bois.
- hansvm 6y ago
  Oh thanks, that makes sense. I was trying to figure out what the upside was for this, but I forgot about the 1-on-1 potential with the feds. It's pretty hard to get in touch with them otherwise.
  - dmqctx 6y ago
    It's actually not that difficult. Our business had a massive illegal purchase attempted by a shady character. Googled FBI location closest to me. Actually got a human to answer and discussed how we should proceed. Surprised me much.
cryptoquick 6y ago
So, wait... Let me get this straight-- This is a p2p VPN, so, it basically routes other people's potentially illegal activities through your own IP address, so you can do the same over other people's IP addresses? And they don't even mention that fact on the front page? Talk about disingenuous... Like, goddamn, VPNs aren't THAT expensive. Not compared to, IDK, a lawyer, or missing a day of work because you're in a jail cell, trying to explain to some cop that you installed a program on your computer that let other people you don't know do random stuff on the internet over your internet connection without your own knowledge or involvement, and you aren't complicit in any way...
- deanclatworthy 6y ago
  Exactly. There is no "hiding in the masses", there is no "plausible deniability" going on here. If someone downloads CP or terrorist manuals using your connection, try explaining that to the dumb cops that you were using a p2p distributed VPN and that it "honestly wasn't me officer".

ian-bateman 6y ago

No catch! We're genuinely trying to build a product that will help protect user privacy online :)

aliakhtar 6y ago
Why not build your own VPN protocol similar to VyperVPN, but make it so ISPs in repressive regimes can’t tell the user is using a VPN? What’s the advantage of a p2p model instead of a better / stealthy VPN protocol that can’t be blocked, which you can also commercialise?
- ian-bateman 6y ago
  The reasoning behind a p2p model is largely so that we don't have the massive overhead of traditional VPN companies & are able to offer the service entirely for free. Not having the overhead allows us to explore different potential methods of monetization that might not be feasible otherwise.