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He's a publisher, not the original source, so he can't be a whistleblower (or leaker or whatever). And he seems to be a pompous ass, but let's be honest, peopl

He's a publisher, not the original source, so he can't be a whistleblower (or leaker or whatever). And he seems to be a pompous ass, but let's be honest, people are mad at him because of the particular true things he published. Collateral murder undermined the effort to sell war as a noble goal, and then Podesta's emails hurt the democrats, so now both political parties and their fans feel personally burned by him. He's being railroaded right now, were you aware? Not a US citizen but somehow inexplicably being extradited and charged under the US espionage act.

slg 6y ago
Assange lied about Seth Rich being a source.[1] Assange has said that he had information on the Trump campaign but decided not to publish it[2]. Assange is accused of taking an active role in hacking/cracking.[3] Also you don't have to be a US citizen to be charged for a crime by the US government. Any idea that he is an independent journalist is now gone. He's not a force for radical transparency like he originally billed himself to be. He's only concerned about transparency when it benefits him personally or politically and is happy to lie about or coverup anything else. [1] - https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/20/us/mueller-report-seth-rich-assange.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/20/us/mueller-report-seth-ri... [2] - https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/293453-assange-wikileaks-trump-info-no-worse-than-him https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/2934... [3] - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/wikileaks-founder-assange-faces-new-accusations-trying-recruit-hackers-conferences-n1232077 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/wikileaks...
- free_rms 6y ago
  I said up front that he's a pompous ass, I'm not defending his character. > Also you don't have to be a US citizen to be charged for a crime by the US government. You sure about that? I mean, if a non-US citizen commits murder on our shores, fine, charge them, but the espionage act for non-citizens who didn't personally commit any espionage? Really? Shit, even if they did, they're not Americans, you want to extradite every non-American who isn't sufficiently pro-America?
  - kickopotomus 6y ago
    I will admit that aiding and abetting is a gray area, but we are all subject to the laws of countries that we decide to travel to or associate with. If it is true that Assange attempted to solicit classified information and did not simply act as a neutral publisher for a whistleblower, then charging him would fall pretty well in line with both the letter and spirit of the espionage act.
    - free_rms 6y ago
      If a US citizen blew a whistle on some abuse in Russia or China, would you be in favor of handing them over to be tried by local authorities? How much of this argument relies on "we are the good guys of history, so we get carte blanche and if you disagree you are bad"?
      - slg 6y ago
        We don't have extradition treaties with those countries so that hypothetical would never happen. It is the same reason that Snowden isn't facing trial in Russia. Part of being a "good guy" is standing by your word. We have extradition treaties with the UK. Unless there is some belief that the wanted person couldn't get a fair trial in the UK, we would follow the same process that they are putting Assange through.
        cycomanic 6y ago
        You do know that the US has not joined the Rome treaty (which establishes the International Criminal court) and one of the arguments being is that it would allow the trial of Americans who have committed crimes on American soil which is unconstitutional. The US has also be threatening that they would invade the Netherlands to free held American personal. Sounds to me not much like a good guy, but more like a bully saying "do as I say not as I do" .
      - kickopotomus 6y ago
        But there’s the problem right there. Your analogy is incongruent with the Assange case. Assange is not a whistleblower. Again, if Assange merely published information that he was given (unsolicited), then he should be protected by the first amendment and is not guilty of a crime. However, if he sought out classified information and instructed someone on how to exfiltrate that information, then he clearly broke US espionage laws.

slg 6y ago

Assange lied about Seth Rich being a source.[1] Assange has said that he had information on the Trump campaign but decided not to publish it[2]. Assange is accused of taking an active role in hacking/cracking.[3] Also you don't have to be a US citizen to be charged for a crime by the US government. Any idea that he is an independent journalist is now gone. He's not a force for radical transparency like he originally billed himself to be. He's only concerned about transparency when it benefits him personally or politically and is happy to lie about or coverup anything else. [1] - https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/20/us/mueller-report-seth-rich-assange.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/20/us/mueller-report-seth-ri... [2] - https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/293453-assange-wikileaks-trump-info-no-worse-than-him https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/2934... [3] - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/wikileaks-founder-assange-faces-new-accusations-trying-recruit-hackers-conferences-n1232077 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/wikileaks...

free_rms 6y ago
I said up front that he's a pompous ass, I'm not defending his character. > Also you don't have to be a US citizen to be charged for a crime by the US government. You sure about that? I mean, if a non-US citizen commits murder on our shores, fine, charge them, but the espionage act for non-citizens who didn't personally commit any espionage? Really? Shit, even if they did, they're not Americans, you want to extradite every non-American who isn't sufficiently pro-America?
- kickopotomus 6y ago
  I will admit that aiding and abetting is a gray area, but we are all subject to the laws of countries that we decide to travel to or associate with. If it is true that Assange attempted to solicit classified information and did not simply act as a neutral publisher for a whistleblower, then charging him would fall pretty well in line with both the letter and spirit of the espionage act.
  - free_rms 6y ago
    If a US citizen blew a whistle on some abuse in Russia or China, would you be in favor of handing them over to be tried by local authorities? How much of this argument relies on "we are the good guys of history, so we get carte blanche and if you disagree you are bad"?
    - slg 6y ago
      We don't have extradition treaties with those countries so that hypothetical would never happen. It is the same reason that Snowden isn't facing trial in Russia. Part of being a "good guy" is standing by your word. We have extradition treaties with the UK. Unless there is some belief that the wanted person couldn't get a fair trial in the UK, we would follow the same process that they are putting Assange through.
      - cycomanic 6y ago
        You do know that the US has not joined the Rome treaty (which establishes the International Criminal court) and one of the arguments being is that it would allow the trial of Americans who have committed crimes on American soil which is unconstitutional. The US has also be threatening that they would invade the Netherlands to free held American personal. Sounds to me not much like a good guy, but more like a bully saying "do as I say not as I do" .
    - kickopotomus 6y ago
      But there’s the problem right there. Your analogy is incongruent with the Assange case. Assange is not a whistleblower. Again, if Assange merely published information that he was given (unsolicited), then he should be protected by the first amendment and is not guilty of a crime. However, if he sought out classified information and instructed someone on how to exfiltrate that information, then he clearly broke US espionage laws.