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I appreciate this discussion and your viewpoint, but I frankly fail to see your point. What is being said is that the police shouldn't be the instance to handl

I appreciate this discussion and your viewpoint, but I frankly fail to see your point. What is being said is that the police shouldn't be the instance to handle incidents where what is really needed is counseling, or social working. We're talking about shifting funds to those and let police do what they have been trained for. On that, as an aside... I will say that as black-belt in Aikido, I remain flabbergasted that police officers are not taught simple techniques to subdue or disable people/threats without resorting to deadly force. To your original post I will also say that owning a gun does not make you and your family impervious to crime! You cannot protect your family with a gun, it doesn't give your family a bullet proof shield. On the contrary you will likely escalate a situation.

hintymad 6y ago
> What is being said is that the police shouldn't be the instance to handle incidents where what is really needed is counseling, or social working. We're talking about shifting funds to those and let police do what they have been trained for. I wish that's the discussion, but I failed to see that's what actually happened. I'm aware that many people argue that "defund police" means allocating fund for better use, but it sounds revisionism. The word "defund" means stop funding, simple and clear. BLM/ANTIFA's demand is clear too: abolish police. The word "abolish" does not mean restructuring, nor does it mean improving. The Minneapolis council woman was specifically asked for her view about "dismantling police", and I don't see how the word "dismantling" can be interpreted as routing fund to a better org. So, no, the left populists did ask for reallocating funds to "handle incidents where what is really needed is counseling". They were asking for dismantling police. People may take "defund" as "reallocate fund", but that's interpretation that is not supported by facts.
- linuxhansl 6y ago
  Sorry you lost me with "BLM/ANTIFA" and "left populists". The sides seem clear in your mind, and it's us vs. them. It seems nothing I can say will have you reflect on your viewpoint, so I won't. Take care.
  - alentist 6y ago
    Are you taking issue with this sentence? > BLM/ANTIFA's demand is clear too: abolish police. Because that sentence is literally correct. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abol... https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/07/17/black-lives-matter-activist https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/07/17/black-lives-matte... https://blacklivesmatter.ca/defund-the-police/ https://blacklivesmatter.ca/defund-the-police/ https://www.foxnews.com/us/black-lives-matter-philadelphia-leader-abolish-police https://www.foxnews.com/us/black-lives-matter-philadelphia-l... https://facebook.com/sometimesantisocialalwaysantifascist/posts/1131887890511308 https://facebook.com/sometimesantisocialalwaysantifascist/po...
  - hintymad 6y ago
    What side? I was simply stating the demand by the BLM protesters in Washington DC and in NYC, as well as the demand by the leadership of BLM movement. There are multiple videos, pictures, and NYT/WaPo OpEd that showed such demand.
alentist 6y ago
> You cannot protect your family with a gun Why make such an obviously false claim? It already has in the past. > it doesn't give your family a bullet proof shield Non-sequitur.

hintymad 6y ago

> What is being said is that the police shouldn't be the instance to handle incidents where what is really needed is counseling, or social working. We're talking about shifting funds to those and let police do what they have been trained for. I wish that's the discussion, but I failed to see that's what actually happened. I'm aware that many people argue that "defund police" means allocating fund for better use, but it sounds revisionism. The word "defund" means stop funding, simple and clear. BLM/ANTIFA's demand is clear too: abolish police. The word "abolish" does not mean restructuring, nor does it mean improving. The Minneapolis council woman was specifically asked for her view about "dismantling police", and I don't see how the word "dismantling" can be interpreted as routing fund to a better org. So, no, the left populists did ask for reallocating funds to "handle incidents where what is really needed is counseling". They were asking for dismantling police. People may take "defund" as "reallocate fund", but that's interpretation that is not supported by facts.

linuxhansl 6y ago
Sorry you lost me with "BLM/ANTIFA" and "left populists". The sides seem clear in your mind, and it's us vs. them. It seems nothing I can say will have you reflect on your viewpoint, so I won't. Take care.
- alentist 6y ago
  Are you taking issue with this sentence? > BLM/ANTIFA's demand is clear too: abolish police. Because that sentence is literally correct. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abol... https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/07/17/black-lives-matter-activist https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/07/17/black-lives-matte... https://blacklivesmatter.ca/defund-the-police/ https://blacklivesmatter.ca/defund-the-police/ https://www.foxnews.com/us/black-lives-matter-philadelphia-leader-abolish-police https://www.foxnews.com/us/black-lives-matter-philadelphia-l... https://facebook.com/sometimesantisocialalwaysantifascist/posts/1131887890511308 https://facebook.com/sometimesantisocialalwaysantifascist/po...
- hintymad 6y ago
  What side? I was simply stating the demand by the BLM protesters in Washington DC and in NYC, as well as the demand by the leadership of BLM movement. There are multiple videos, pictures, and NYT/WaPo OpEd that showed such demand.

alentist 6y ago

> You cannot protect your family with a gun Why make such an obviously false claim? It already has in the past. > it doesn't give your family a bullet proof shield Non-sequitur.