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Not to mention, from TFA: "They're also so fleeting that they're difficult for the human eye to detect, and leave behind very little evidence." We've already

Not to mention, from TFA: "They're also so fleeting that they're difficult for the human eye to detect, and leave behind very little evidence." We've already got people who do things purely for the lulz (swatting, anybody) who could easily justify away these kinds of activities.

mattbee 6y ago
Both good points - so this kind of crime would likely be indistinguishable from a random, terrifying software failure, with the blame falling on the car maker.
- hellotomyrars 6y ago
  I mean it is a failing of the manufacturer on some level. Not saying someone intentionally exploiting the car isn't also at fault, but I also don't think it's unrealistic to hold the manufacturer accountable as well.
- piracy1 6y ago
  Tesla logs so much data and stores it and has used it to defend itself in various legal / PR matters. I wonder if they would catch it if someone did this. Or maybe suddenly they wouldn't have that data lol
- a_bonobo 6y ago
  Very often I see these tiny articles in local newspapers, 15 sentences, that go something like 'The driver lost control of their vehicle and died in the crash'. I've had some terrifying software problems in Audis, including random shutdowns while driving due to faulty sensors, how often do you think someone who 'lost control of their car', which implies that there was human error, died because their car's electronics or software were faulty? That number definitely is not zero.
  - mattbee 6y ago
    Yeah! I'm sure that's happened in software in less sophisticated, but maybe more understandable ways. Lane-keeping & auto-braking software - which loads of cars have - is absolutely terrifying to think about, and I'd be fascinated to see these attacked from a research POV. My old Celica tried to murder me on the M62 and Toyota denied the problem for years (the gas pedals got stuck under the floor mats). And that was just a really obvious (in retrospect) design flaw - for how long could a car maker viably deny safety problems in their software?

mattbee 6y ago

Both good points - so this kind of crime would likely be indistinguishable from a random, terrifying software failure, with the blame falling on the car maker.

hellotomyrars 6y ago
I mean it is a failing of the manufacturer on some level. Not saying someone intentionally exploiting the car isn't also at fault, but I also don't think it's unrealistic to hold the manufacturer accountable as well.
piracy1 6y ago
Tesla logs so much data and stores it and has used it to defend itself in various legal / PR matters. I wonder if they would catch it if someone did this. Or maybe suddenly they wouldn't have that data lol
a_bonobo 6y ago
Very often I see these tiny articles in local newspapers, 15 sentences, that go something like 'The driver lost control of their vehicle and died in the crash'. I've had some terrifying software problems in Audis, including random shutdowns while driving due to faulty sensors, how often do you think someone who 'lost control of their car', which implies that there was human error, died because their car's electronics or software were faulty? That number definitely is not zero.
- mattbee 6y ago
  Yeah! I'm sure that's happened in software in less sophisticated, but maybe more understandable ways. Lane-keeping & auto-braking software - which loads of cars have - is absolutely terrifying to think about, and I'd be fascinated to see these attacked from a research POV. My old Celica tried to murder me on the M62 and Toyota denied the problem for years (the gas pedals got stuck under the floor mats). And that was just a really obvious (in retrospect) design flaw - for how long could a car maker viably deny safety problems in their software?