> have no say in what stays on, or gets removed/hidden (except, again, illegal stuff). That would eliminate HN, Reddit, basically anywhere with a moderated for

> have no say in what stays on, or gets removed/hidden (except, again, illegal stuff). That would eliminate HN, Reddit, basically anywhere with a moderated forum. How do you run a site like Ravelry (knitting/crafting site) with a rule like that? Under your idea, the reddit would consist of "News Sites" and "4chan". (Actually even 4chan does some moderation). There's no way that would be acceptable.