Absolutely, 100% with you on that. I guess, then, at the heart of the 'defund the police' movement is an attempt to move toward working on those biases. That

Absolutely, 100% with you on that. I guess, then, at the heart of the 'defund the police' movement is an attempt to move toward working on those biases. That is what is lost in much of the conversation - we need to fix certain things in the policing of the US - because people immediately turn to 'what will we do if there are no police'. I guess, how do we turn the conversation from 'defund the police' to 'fix this shit' without losing people along the way? I don't have answers for any of this.