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Well, because the below is an incendiary and mostly false statement. Additionally, just because the police in your community are perfect doesn't mean real probl

Well, because the below is an incendiary and mostly false statement. Additionally, just because the police in your community are perfect doesn't mean real problems don't exist elsewhere. "when politicians condoned publicly looting and robbery and violence and abolishing police"

hintymad 6y ago
Pelosi on people toppling statues: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z8yhQMTIiI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z8yhQMTIiI. For I remember, statues are not the properties of the mobs, no? AOC on looting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzlRVUJLOwo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzlRVUJLOwo Seattle council member on looting of stores: "Colleagues, I hope we’re all saying we understand why that destruction happened and we understand why people are upset", and "I don't want to hear is for our constituents to be told to be civil, not to be reactionary, to be told looting doesn't solve anything." Minneapolis council woman supports "dismantle" police: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idw83kGmwzw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idw83kGmwzw And didn't Don Lemon, the warrior of our justice warriors publicly called democrats to stop rioting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp7oPgIwpZ8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp7oPgIwpZ8? To be fair, being silent does not mean supporting rioting. I guess that the Portland government letting "protesters" destruct federal court building for 5 months is not condoning either. But hey, it is the righteous people who told us "silence is violence, not me. > because the police in your community are perfect doesn't mean real problems don't exist elsewhere. Of course not. But following the same logic, we should "abolish" or "dismantle" police for a few bad apples?
- monocasa 6y ago
  > a few bad apples You know that the aphorism is "a few bad apples spoils the bunch", right? The underlying metaphor is that you have to get rid of the entire group because the infection has spread to all of them even if it's not immediately visible from the outside.
- linuxhansl 6y ago
  I appreciate this discussion and your viewpoint, but I frankly fail to see your point. What is being said is that the police shouldn't be the instance to handle incidents where what is really needed is counseling, or social working. We're talking about shifting funds to those and let police do what they have been trained for. On that, as an aside... I will say that as black-belt in Aikido, I remain flabbergasted that police officers are not taught simple techniques to subdue or disable people/threats without resorting to deadly force. To your original post I will also say that owning a gun does not make you and your family impervious to crime! You cannot protect your family with a gun, it doesn't give your family a bullet proof shield. On the contrary you will likely escalate a situation.
  - hintymad 6y ago
    > What is being said is that the police shouldn't be the instance to handle incidents where what is really needed is counseling, or social working. We're talking about shifting funds to those and let police do what they have been trained for. I wish that's the discussion, but I failed to see that's what actually happened. I'm aware that many people argue that "defund police" means allocating fund for better use, but it sounds revisionism. The word "defund" means stop funding, simple and clear. BLM/ANTIFA's demand is clear too: abolish police. The word "abolish" does not mean restructuring, nor does it mean improving. The Minneapolis council woman was specifically asked for her view about "dismantling police", and I don't see how the word "dismantling" can be interpreted as routing fund to a better org. So, no, the left populists did ask for reallocating funds to "handle incidents where what is really needed is counseling". They were asking for dismantling police. People may take "defund" as "reallocate fund", but that's interpretation that is not supported by facts.
    - linuxhansl 6y ago
      Sorry you lost me with "BLM/ANTIFA" and "left populists". The sides seem clear in your mind, and it's us vs. them. It seems nothing I can say will have you reflect on your viewpoint, so I won't. Take care.
      - 6y ago

hintymad 6y ago

Pelosi on people toppling statues: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z8yhQMTIiI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z8yhQMTIiI. For I remember, statues are not the properties of the mobs, no? AOC on looting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzlRVUJLOwo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzlRVUJLOwo Seattle council member on looting of stores: "Colleagues, I hope we’re all saying we understand why that destruction happened and we understand why people are upset", and "I don't want to hear is for our constituents to be told to be civil, not to be reactionary, to be told looting doesn't solve anything." Minneapolis council woman supports "dismantle" police: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idw83kGmwzw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idw83kGmwzw And didn't Don Lemon, the warrior of our justice warriors publicly called democrats to stop rioting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp7oPgIwpZ8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp7oPgIwpZ8? To be fair, being silent does not mean supporting rioting. I guess that the Portland government letting "protesters" destruct federal court building for 5 months is not condoning either. But hey, it is the righteous people who told us "silence is violence, not me. > because the police in your community are perfect doesn't mean real problems don't exist elsewhere. Of course not. But following the same logic, we should "abolish" or "dismantle" police for a few bad apples?

monocasa 6y ago
> a few bad apples You know that the aphorism is "a few bad apples spoils the bunch", right? The underlying metaphor is that you have to get rid of the entire group because the infection has spread to all of them even if it's not immediately visible from the outside.
linuxhansl 6y ago
I appreciate this discussion and your viewpoint, but I frankly fail to see your point. What is being said is that the police shouldn't be the instance to handle incidents where what is really needed is counseling, or social working. We're talking about shifting funds to those and let police do what they have been trained for. On that, as an aside... I will say that as black-belt in Aikido, I remain flabbergasted that police officers are not taught simple techniques to subdue or disable people/threats without resorting to deadly force. To your original post I will also say that owning a gun does not make you and your family impervious to crime! You cannot protect your family with a gun, it doesn't give your family a bullet proof shield. On the contrary you will likely escalate a situation.
- hintymad 6y ago
  > What is being said is that the police shouldn't be the instance to handle incidents where what is really needed is counseling, or social working. We're talking about shifting funds to those and let police do what they have been trained for. I wish that's the discussion, but I failed to see that's what actually happened. I'm aware that many people argue that "defund police" means allocating fund for better use, but it sounds revisionism. The word "defund" means stop funding, simple and clear. BLM/ANTIFA's demand is clear too: abolish police. The word "abolish" does not mean restructuring, nor does it mean improving. The Minneapolis council woman was specifically asked for her view about "dismantling police", and I don't see how the word "dismantling" can be interpreted as routing fund to a better org. So, no, the left populists did ask for reallocating funds to "handle incidents where what is really needed is counseling". They were asking for dismantling police. People may take "defund" as "reallocate fund", but that's interpretation that is not supported by facts.
  - linuxhansl 6y ago
    Sorry you lost me with "BLM/ANTIFA" and "left populists". The sides seem clear in your mind, and it's us vs. them. It seems nothing I can say will have you reflect on your viewpoint, so I won't. Take care.
    - 6y ago