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i remember during the BLM Riots, we had stories going around that jacob blake was just "breaking up a fight" between two women. when it turns out he had just fi

by ffggvv 6y ago

i remember during the BLM Riots, we had stories going around that jacob blake was just "breaking up a fight" between two women. when it turns out he had just finished robbing someone he'd previously sexually assaulted with her kids in the house. and twitter let it trend i remember they had a video of gunshot sounds trending with a description saying that an innocent 16 year old girl was shot by police when in reality it was an armed 30 year old man who had just killed someone else. i think its finally time to #deleteTwitter

verroq 6y ago
You might as well delete most liberal media as well since anytime they mention a crime being committed and they omit the race of the perp you can assume they aren’t white. If they are white they will shout it from the rooftops. I watched Michael Moore’s Bowling for Columbine and I’d assume that for some reason these journalists thought that they can fix racism just not mentioning the race of the perpetrators.
- pqhwan 6y ago
  I haven’t seen what you’ve seen, so I’m not going to deny your experience/impression, but my opinion is that the only case where the races of those involved in a crime matter are when the crime is racially motivated. And that’s the standard I’ve seen major media adhere to, but obviously there’s grey areas. If you want every crime tallied up against the race of the perpetrator, I’ve got bad news for you; that’s what the kids are talking about when they take to the streets against good ol’ racism, my friend.
  - hackerfromthefu 6y ago
    Well I am not going to deny your experience/impression, but my opinion is that news is valuable to the degree it has actionable information that is accurate. e.g. Knowing which areas are more likely to be dangerous means I can avoid those areas. If an area is regularly the site of dangerous altercations, I know to be more careful around it. But if the news white-washes that actual factual information it becomes much less useful as actual actionable information.
    - undersuit 6y ago
      What a wonderful racist analogy. Know the color of people is like knowing which areas are dangerous. That's for explaining.
      - verroq 6y ago
        Pretending the problem doesn’t exist isn’t solving the problem. Maybe fixing the crime and poverty is more important than calling it racist. > There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved ~ Jesse Jackson
        pqhwan 6y ago
        Maybe the crime and poverty are direct results of centuries of racist oppressions. Slavery, segregation, denial of voting rights, economic opportunities... and maybe, the solution to racism isn’t more racism? How do you think we got here? And how do you propose we address the issues? You yell “look at the crime” and smugly pretend that the other side is blind to it; well, what’s your solution?
        verroq 6y ago
        > and maybe, the solution to racism isn’t more racism? So we are agreed that affirmative action should go.
        pqhwan 6y ago
        If your conscience hasn’t been forcing you to face the fact that you thought “my kids can’t go to yale, and I blame minorities” was a badge of victimhood you can hold up against slavery and segregation... fellow human, you’ve got some reckoning to do. But it proves my point that you either have no solution to contribute, or you yourself know that your solution is wrong and are afraid to say it out loud. When I find myself in that fork, I take it as a signal that I should question my assumptions and values, before getting in the way of those who’ve come out with and committed to theirs.
intrasight 6y ago
It's a web site so you can't delete it ;)
beervirus 6y ago
Wipe it, like with a cloth?
drew-y 6y ago
> BLM Riots This is a harmful characterization of an important movement. No protests on that scale are going to go without a hitch. That shouldn't minimize their importance. > Researchers at the US Crisis Monitor analyzed over 10,600 nationwide protests between May 24 (the day before George Floyd was killed by police) and Aug. 22, and found that nearly 95 percent were peaceful [1] Jacob Blake was shot seven times in the back children while his children watched. He was unarmed. Even if the alleged sexual assault charges are found to be true, this is not how justice should be carried out. Also. He is charged with sexual assault and trespassing. I can't find any source that he's been charged with robbery. These are serious charges. But it should be up to the courts to determine his guilt. Not the police or the court of public opinion. 1. https://mashable.com/article/black-lives-matter-protests-peaceful/ https://mashable.com/article/black-lives-matter-protests-pea...
- ibejoeb 6y ago
  >He was unarmed He was armed, and he admitted to it, and it is documented in the DOJ statement.
  - chrshawkes 6y ago
    Please don't speak facts.
    - drew-y 6y ago
      Can someone actually point to those "facts" y'all claim to have? Because I'm the only one actually citing sources right now.
      - legolas2412 6y ago
        Google search "blake knife screenshot"
  - drew-y 6y ago
    Can you provide a source for this? The best I can find is that he had a knife on the floor of the truck. But was otherwise unarmed. This is consistent across all the main sources I've checked. 1. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/28/fact-check-jacob-blake-didnt-brandish-knife-kenosha-shooting/5653800002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/28/fac... 2. https://en.as.com/en/2020/08/25/latest_news/1598382234_230932.html https://en.as.com/en/2020/08/25/latest_news/1598382234_23093... 3. https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/2020/08/26/jacob-blake-had-knife-car-but-otherwise-unarmed-tased-kenosha-officer-rusten-sheskey-shot-in-back/5639429002/ https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/2020/08/26/jacob-b...
chrshawkes 6y ago
I agree. We have no reason to give our data and power of speech to these shit companies. We need a decentralized authority in charge of social networks. Nothing these companies provide is of any substantial value that cannot be open sourced and decentralized.
- PhilosAccnting 6y ago
  How do you go about decentralizing it? I'm fairly new to the industry and have career aspirations in this direction, so please fix what I'm missing: 1. Build out a good FOSS alternative. 2. Market the snot out of it until the unteched masses use it. 3. ??? open a foundation with that niche's leaders, or something? 4. FOSS is the new normal for that niche. (edited for line breaks)
- ffggvv 6y ago
  my question is how we decentralize it without allowing child exploitation etc. it seems like you need moderation at some level but the second you add it, they have the leeway to abuse that authority for political reasons
  - PhilosAccnting 6y ago
    That question could be rephrased as "how much entropy should a system have?" Specifically, I refer to "chaos/evil" as a type of entropy. It's a perversion of virtue. We live in a world system that always seems to have self-interest in there somewhere, but self-interest taken to extremes becomes evil. So, "Freedom v2.2" is a system that allows for some entropy to motivate independent decisions that affect the public good (e.g., an entrepreneur), but are also punitive toward the public bad (e.g., child porn). The real battle here that becomes political is the quantity and scope of controls. Generally, in the USA, the Republicans are presently leaning away from more controls and the Democrats toward it. The voter decides based on whether they think the system is self-correcting. Or, to put another way, the entire essence of free information is either a self-correcting negative feedback loop (like the stock market) or a holy-crap-let's-stop-this-train-before-we-all-die positive feedback loop (like a horrifically dysfunctional family).

by ffggvv 6y ago

verroq 6y ago

You might as well delete most liberal media as well since anytime they mention a crime being committed and they omit the race of the perp you can assume they aren’t white. If they are white they will shout it from the rooftops. I watched Michael Moore’s Bowling for Columbine and I’d assume that for some reason these journalists thought that they can fix racism just not mentioning the race of the perpetrators.

pqhwan 6y ago
I haven’t seen what you’ve seen, so I’m not going to deny your experience/impression, but my opinion is that the only case where the races of those involved in a crime matter are when the crime is racially motivated. And that’s the standard I’ve seen major media adhere to, but obviously there’s grey areas. If you want every crime tallied up against the race of the perpetrator, I’ve got bad news for you; that’s what the kids are talking about when they take to the streets against good ol’ racism, my friend.
- hackerfromthefu 6y ago
  Well I am not going to deny your experience/impression, but my opinion is that news is valuable to the degree it has actionable information that is accurate. e.g. Knowing which areas are more likely to be dangerous means I can avoid those areas. If an area is regularly the site of dangerous altercations, I know to be more careful around it. But if the news white-washes that actual factual information it becomes much less useful as actual actionable information.
  - undersuit 6y ago
    What a wonderful racist analogy. Know the color of people is like knowing which areas are dangerous. That's for explaining.
    - verroq 6y ago
      Pretending the problem doesn’t exist isn’t solving the problem. Maybe fixing the crime and poverty is more important than calling it racist. > There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved ~ Jesse Jackson
      - pqhwan 6y ago
        Maybe the crime and poverty are direct results of centuries of racist oppressions. Slavery, segregation, denial of voting rights, economic opportunities... and maybe, the solution to racism isn’t more racism? How do you think we got here? And how do you propose we address the issues? You yell “look at the crime” and smugly pretend that the other side is blind to it; well, what’s your solution?
        verroq 6y ago
        > and maybe, the solution to racism isn’t more racism? So we are agreed that affirmative action should go.
        pqhwan 6y ago
        If your conscience hasn’t been forcing you to face the fact that you thought “my kids can’t go to yale, and I blame minorities” was a badge of victimhood you can hold up against slavery and segregation... fellow human, you’ve got some reckoning to do. But it proves my point that you either have no solution to contribute, or you yourself know that your solution is wrong and are afraid to say it out loud. When I find myself in that fork, I take it as a signal that I should question my assumptions and values, before getting in the way of those who’ve come out with and committed to theirs.

intrasight 6y ago

It's a web site so you can't delete it ;)

beervirus 6y ago

Wipe it, like with a cloth?

drew-y 6y ago

> BLM Riots This is a harmful characterization of an important movement. No protests on that scale are going to go without a hitch. That shouldn't minimize their importance. > Researchers at the US Crisis Monitor analyzed over 10,600 nationwide protests between May 24 (the day before George Floyd was killed by police) and Aug. 22, and found that nearly 95 percent were peaceful [1] Jacob Blake was shot seven times in the back children while his children watched. He was unarmed. Even if the alleged sexual assault charges are found to be true, this is not how justice should be carried out. Also. He is charged with sexual assault and trespassing. I can't find any source that he's been charged with robbery. These are serious charges. But it should be up to the courts to determine his guilt. Not the police or the court of public opinion. 1. https://mashable.com/article/black-lives-matter-protests-peaceful/ https://mashable.com/article/black-lives-matter-protests-pea...

ibejoeb 6y ago
>He was unarmed He was armed, and he admitted to it, and it is documented in the DOJ statement.
- chrshawkes 6y ago
  Please don't speak facts.
  - drew-y 6y ago
    Can someone actually point to those "facts" y'all claim to have? Because I'm the only one actually citing sources right now.
    - legolas2412 6y ago
      Google search "blake knife screenshot"
- drew-y 6y ago
  Can you provide a source for this? The best I can find is that he had a knife on the floor of the truck. But was otherwise unarmed. This is consistent across all the main sources I've checked. 1. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/28/fact-check-jacob-blake-didnt-brandish-knife-kenosha-shooting/5653800002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/28/fac... 2. https://en.as.com/en/2020/08/25/latest_news/1598382234_230932.html https://en.as.com/en/2020/08/25/latest_news/1598382234_23093... 3. https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/2020/08/26/jacob-blake-had-knife-car-but-otherwise-unarmed-tased-kenosha-officer-rusten-sheskey-shot-in-back/5639429002/ https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/2020/08/26/jacob-b...

chrshawkes 6y ago

I agree. We have no reason to give our data and power of speech to these shit companies. We need a decentralized authority in charge of social networks. Nothing these companies provide is of any substantial value that cannot be open sourced and decentralized.

PhilosAccnting 6y ago
How do you go about decentralizing it? I'm fairly new to the industry and have career aspirations in this direction, so please fix what I'm missing: 1. Build out a good FOSS alternative. 2. Market the snot out of it until the unteched masses use it. 3. ??? open a foundation with that niche's leaders, or something? 4. FOSS is the new normal for that niche. (edited for line breaks)
ffggvv 6y ago
my question is how we decentralize it without allowing child exploitation etc. it seems like you need moderation at some level but the second you add it, they have the leeway to abuse that authority for political reasons
- PhilosAccnting 6y ago
  That question could be rephrased as "how much entropy should a system have?" Specifically, I refer to "chaos/evil" as a type of entropy. It's a perversion of virtue. We live in a world system that always seems to have self-interest in there somewhere, but self-interest taken to extremes becomes evil. So, "Freedom v2.2" is a system that allows for some entropy to motivate independent decisions that affect the public good (e.g., an entrepreneur), but are also punitive toward the public bad (e.g., child porn). The real battle here that becomes political is the quantity and scope of controls. Generally, in the USA, the Republicans are presently leaning away from more controls and the Democrats toward it. The voter decides based on whether they think the system is self-correcting. Or, to put another way, the entire essence of free information is either a self-correcting negative feedback loop (like the stock market) or a holy-crap-let's-stop-this-train-before-we-all-die positive feedback loop (like a horrifically dysfunctional family).