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Is there anything else they've discontinued though? Vagrant has waned in popularity given Docker, but it's still supported . Nomad is much less popular than Kub

Is there anything else they've discontinued though? Vagrant has waned in popularity given Docker, but it's still supported . Nomad is much less popular than Kubernetes, but it's still being actively developed, with features that make sense for its niche.

geerlingguy 6y ago
Sorry, I think my original comment is easy to misinterpret. I'm not saying I'm very worried that will happen, but I am mostly suggesting Hashicorp needs to be very careful post-launch to make sure people know this thing will be more of a Vagrant and less of an Otto :) (And note that Vagrant was _extremely_ popular/'hot' for a time. It's still incredibly useful and widely used, even if it's not a slick new JS-based tool that everyone fawns over these days.) Nobody wants another Google in terms of product support over time!
mushbino 6y ago
Nomad is still technically being supported, but looks looks to be low in priority and resources at the moment.
- armon 6y ago
  We've continued to grow the Nomad team, and are working towards the big 1.0 release milestone later this month. The OSS usage continues to grow double digit every quarter and our commercial offering generates millions in revenue. Nomad is also the backbone of both HashiCorp Cloud Platform and Terraform Cloud. Suffice to say, we continue to support Nomad and depend on it!
  - 14u2c 6y ago
    That's great to hear. I want to thank you for your work on Nomad. Its been a pleasure to use and has allowed us to scale without unnecessary complexity.
  - mushbino 6y ago
    Awesome! I like Nomad a lot, I just know how hot and cold particular spaces can be.
- rigrassm 6y ago
  On the contrary, the development of Nomad has really taken off over the last 9-12 months. At the beginning of the year when my new team was starting to dig into the technologies we were going to be using in our new (to us) ecosystem, Nomad was hovering at the bottom of the list mainly from the lack of critical features we would be needing (namely, persistent storage solutions for containerized jobs but there were some other reasons I can't remember off the top of my head). It was, I believe, around the 0.10 release that they laid out a roadmap for implementing the CSI spec on top of things like adding Autoscaling that we decided to go with it. This was back sometime before COVID lockdowns started and since then we've deployed it, along side Consul and Vault, to run our new internal production metrics/code coverage services. Given we have committed to it, I've closely followed and have participated in it's development (in the form of a documentation contribution as well as assisting with a few issues related to the CSI implementation) and definitely believe the products development is moving much faster than it had been. Keep in mind, Cloudflare is now using Nomad in (almost?) all of its data centers and Roblox has built out it's game server infrastructure using Nomad as it's orchestrator too. Hashicorp would be insane to throw away a product being used at that kind of scale.
  - heipei 6y ago
    Thanks, it's great to hear this kind of commitment. While it would certainly be possible to switch to Kubernetes if Nomad was ever abandoned, the thing is that I really wouldn't want to. Nomad, along with the rest of the Hashistack, is so much fun to use and feels so polished. Keep up the great work!
  - mushbino 6y ago
    That's great to hear! I try not to buy into the "what's hot right now" mentality, but I'm just cautious after being left in the dark on products I've depended on. Glad they're continuing to invest in it.

geerlingguy 6y ago

Sorry, I think my original comment is easy to misinterpret. I'm not saying I'm very worried that will happen, but I am mostly suggesting Hashicorp needs to be very careful post-launch to make sure people know this thing will be more of a Vagrant and less of an Otto :) (And note that Vagrant was _extremely_ popular/'hot' for a time. It's still incredibly useful and widely used, even if it's not a slick new JS-based tool that everyone fawns over these days.) Nobody wants another Google in terms of product support over time!

mushbino 6y ago

Nomad is still technically being supported, but looks looks to be low in priority and resources at the moment.

armon 6y ago
We've continued to grow the Nomad team, and are working towards the big 1.0 release milestone later this month. The OSS usage continues to grow double digit every quarter and our commercial offering generates millions in revenue. Nomad is also the backbone of both HashiCorp Cloud Platform and Terraform Cloud. Suffice to say, we continue to support Nomad and depend on it!
- 14u2c 6y ago
  That's great to hear. I want to thank you for your work on Nomad. Its been a pleasure to use and has allowed us to scale without unnecessary complexity.
- mushbino 6y ago
  Awesome! I like Nomad a lot, I just know how hot and cold particular spaces can be.
rigrassm 6y ago
On the contrary, the development of Nomad has really taken off over the last 9-12 months. At the beginning of the year when my new team was starting to dig into the technologies we were going to be using in our new (to us) ecosystem, Nomad was hovering at the bottom of the list mainly from the lack of critical features we would be needing (namely, persistent storage solutions for containerized jobs but there were some other reasons I can't remember off the top of my head). It was, I believe, around the 0.10 release that they laid out a roadmap for implementing the CSI spec on top of things like adding Autoscaling that we decided to go with it. This was back sometime before COVID lockdowns started and since then we've deployed it, along side Consul and Vault, to run our new internal production metrics/code coverage services. Given we have committed to it, I've closely followed and have participated in it's development (in the form of a documentation contribution as well as assisting with a few issues related to the CSI implementation) and definitely believe the products development is moving much faster than it had been. Keep in mind, Cloudflare is now using Nomad in (almost?) all of its data centers and Roblox has built out it's game server infrastructure using Nomad as it's orchestrator too. Hashicorp would be insane to throw away a product being used at that kind of scale.
- heipei 6y ago
  Thanks, it's great to hear this kind of commitment. While it would certainly be possible to switch to Kubernetes if Nomad was ever abandoned, the thing is that I really wouldn't want to. Nomad, along with the rest of the Hashistack, is so much fun to use and feels so polished. Keep up the great work!
- mushbino 6y ago
  That's great to hear! I try not to buy into the "what's hot right now" mentality, but I'm just cautious after being left in the dark on products I've depended on. Glad they're continuing to invest in it.