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I love Windows, but it's still got a long ways to go before becoming an reliable desktop OS. For most people they could easily use it. However the moment updat

I love Windows, but it's still got a long ways to go before becoming an reliable desktop OS. For most people they could easily use it. However the moment updates don't install correctly kills it for them. Windows is great if you never shut down your computer during an update or always give them the time to apply. My main beef with it is the telemetry and inconsistent UI. It's far better than it was 10 years ago but nobody wants to be dealing with that. It's annoying. I can deal with program crashes or some minor feature not working right. I can't deal with random UI changes, random resetting of settings, and uploading usage data behind my back. Windows will always just be a tool (slowly becoming an integrated Azure client) to me and nothing more. It's a great fleshed out customizable-as-Microsoft-allows tool. But it is hardly what it needs to be to quit non-creatives from migrating to iPads and smartphones.

lostmsu 6y ago
Huh, when was the last time Windows Update did not work correctly for you?
- Smithalicious 6y ago
  The rate has slowed down from "half the time" to "once or twice per year" for me personally.
MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago
When is the last time you had to reinstall windows because the grub loader failed to install correctly upon the initial install? Or a device didn't work out of the box because the company didn't make drivers for it? How about the amount of times you needed to run wine on windows to play a specific game. Linux is awesome. But you gotta get out of your bubble and realize it's super niche and for techy people. Not average joes that just wanna watch youtube.
- zelon88 6y ago
  If Windows 10 didn't suck so bad, I'd agree with this post. But honestly, the Windows 10 network I used to manage had just as many, if not more problems per-machine than my linux network at home. Honestly, I can not recall ever having a major issue with Grub. It's probably the most reliable part of a Linux machine. Sure, getting the right graphics drivers can be a pain on Linux. Then again, I can say the same about the process on Windows too. And as far as gaming goes, I can play 85% of my Steam Library right out of the box with default settings. Steam has it's own Winetricks built in. And default Winetricks has come a long way too. There really isn't any Windows program I can't get running with 30 minutes of tinkering. As far as linux being niche and for techie people, you're somwhat right but it's still a frustrating misconception that an average Joe couldn't figure out Linux. I mean, modern Ubuntu is no more complicated to use than Windows 98 was. I just plugged in a Canon printer/scanner into my Lubuntu desktop tonight and fired up included SimpleScan and did some scanning. I didn't need to open a terminal. It all just... worked. Most of the casual things I do just work. It's me messing with stuff that makes things go haywire. But I'm one of those techie people and that's what I enjoy doing. Don't think of Linux like a geeky alternative to mainstream. Think of it as the mainstream that Windows is trying to improve upon. In all reality, it is. Linux is to computers what the manual transmission (stick shift) is to automobiles. It takes some getting used too, but it's easier than it looks. And if you can drive a stick, you can drive literally any vehicle with wheels. Same with linux. If you can use a linux PC you posses the knowledge use any PC.
  - MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago
    Aside from the telemetry BS, what is wrong with windows 10? There is nothing wrong with windows and it's extraordinarily convenient. Mail and Calendar integrated into the OS has never been better. Sure it's not as good as Apple's stuff, but it's more than worthwhile. Linux you have to mess around CONSTANTLY or learn more about how things work in order to get them to your liking. Linux IS a "geeky alternative to mainstream." Linux is exactly as your example is about manual vs automatic. Stop and think for a sec why over 90% of cars are automatic and not manual. It's easier! We can argue all day how Linux is superior to windows but at the end of the day, what OS are you wasting more time on trying to get something to work as opposed to that being just abstracted from you in the first place since you don't need to know about it 99/100?
- tenebrisalietum 6y ago
  The average joes watching Youtube are doing it on their smartphones, iPads, or Chromecasts now. It's why Microsoft is letting Windows fall apart because cloud services accessible from any device is the future.

lostmsu 6y ago

Huh, when was the last time Windows Update did not work correctly for you?

Smithalicious 6y ago
The rate has slowed down from "half the time" to "once or twice per year" for me personally.

MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago

When is the last time you had to reinstall windows because the grub loader failed to install correctly upon the initial install? Or a device didn't work out of the box because the company didn't make drivers for it? How about the amount of times you needed to run wine on windows to play a specific game. Linux is awesome. But you gotta get out of your bubble and realize it's super niche and for techy people. Not average joes that just wanna watch youtube.

zelon88 6y ago
If Windows 10 didn't suck so bad, I'd agree with this post. But honestly, the Windows 10 network I used to manage had just as many, if not more problems per-machine than my linux network at home. Honestly, I can not recall ever having a major issue with Grub. It's probably the most reliable part of a Linux machine. Sure, getting the right graphics drivers can be a pain on Linux. Then again, I can say the same about the process on Windows too. And as far as gaming goes, I can play 85% of my Steam Library right out of the box with default settings. Steam has it's own Winetricks built in. And default Winetricks has come a long way too. There really isn't any Windows program I can't get running with 30 minutes of tinkering. As far as linux being niche and for techie people, you're somwhat right but it's still a frustrating misconception that an average Joe couldn't figure out Linux. I mean, modern Ubuntu is no more complicated to use than Windows 98 was. I just plugged in a Canon printer/scanner into my Lubuntu desktop tonight and fired up included SimpleScan and did some scanning. I didn't need to open a terminal. It all just... worked. Most of the casual things I do just work. It's me messing with stuff that makes things go haywire. But I'm one of those techie people and that's what I enjoy doing. Don't think of Linux like a geeky alternative to mainstream. Think of it as the mainstream that Windows is trying to improve upon. In all reality, it is. Linux is to computers what the manual transmission (stick shift) is to automobiles. It takes some getting used too, but it's easier than it looks. And if you can drive a stick, you can drive literally any vehicle with wheels. Same with linux. If you can use a linux PC you posses the knowledge use any PC.
- MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago
  Aside from the telemetry BS, what is wrong with windows 10? There is nothing wrong with windows and it's extraordinarily convenient. Mail and Calendar integrated into the OS has never been better. Sure it's not as good as Apple's stuff, but it's more than worthwhile. Linux you have to mess around CONSTANTLY or learn more about how things work in order to get them to your liking. Linux IS a "geeky alternative to mainstream." Linux is exactly as your example is about manual vs automatic. Stop and think for a sec why over 90% of cars are automatic and not manual. It's easier! We can argue all day how Linux is superior to windows but at the end of the day, what OS are you wasting more time on trying to get something to work as opposed to that being just abstracted from you in the first place since you don't need to know about it 99/100?
tenebrisalietum 6y ago
The average joes watching Youtube are doing it on their smartphones, iPads, or Chromecasts now. It's why Microsoft is letting Windows fall apart because cloud services accessible from any device is the future.