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Your kid will be corrupted by society anyway. What's this whole thing about protecting children from the reality of the real world anyway? A bit off topic but

Your kid will be corrupted by society anyway. What's this whole thing about protecting children from the reality of the real world anyway? A bit off topic but a serious question. What's your logical reasoning for blocking the content now. It's just slowing down what he will be able to see (by deliberately going around you) within a couple years. I never understood this with parents.

pessimizer 6y ago
You've never understood why parents protect children from things that they will eventually be exposed to as adults? If your goal is to give your children unfiltered access to "reality," parents are entirely unnecessary after birth.
- lerptime 6y ago
  >You've never understood why parents protect children from things that they will eventually be exposed to as adults? If your goal is to give your children unfiltered access to "reality," parents are entirely unnecessary after birth. Hey I have a different opinion than you. I think you should respect that rather than say parents are unnecessary after birth. That's rude. First off think about it logically. Why indeed do parents have to protect children from things they will not only be exposed to as adults but things they will inevitably seek and successfully expose themselves to BEFORE they become adults. Your job as a parent is to protect your kid from actual harm and to teach your kid and feed your kid and guide your kid. Your optional side job is to protect your kid from "reality" that's your own personal choice and there are actual scientific observations of the result. The podcast below actually illustrates a scientific study on the subject: https://www.npr.org/programs/invisibilia/378577902/how-to-become-batman https://www.npr.org/programs/invisibilia/378577902/how-to-be... A part of it actually follows two blind kids with different parents and different parenting choices. One parent chose to protect his blind kid from reality. The other parent gave the blind kid a bike for a birthday present two weeks after the crazy blind kid lost his two front teeth from running into a wall. Do you want to know the end result of sheltering a blind kid versus encouraging one to explore reality? Watch the podcast to find out. Very interesting if your a parent. Let's just say one blind kid (now adult) now walks around the world as if he can see and literally uses echolocation to navigate the world. The other blind kid walks the world as if he's a crippled blind man. Here's another one: https://www.npr.org/2015/01/16/377517810/world-with-no-fear https://www.npr.org/2015/01/16/377517810/world-with-no-fear Also about kids. Talking about how kids today only wander around their homes while kids in the 60s and 70s wander around the whole town by themselves. It's attributed to different parenting styles and fear of exposing kids to the real world. Parents in the 70s were much less fearful about protecting kids from reality. Parents today are scared of everything. But the illogical difference here is that from the 70s to now, crime has actually gone down. Your kids today are more safe than ever before but parents are more restrictive and scared than they ever were before.
  - soledades 6y ago
    Wow, A real life libertarian true believer, look at that. I didn't know there was such a thing
    - nendroid 6y ago
      Whatever works is what I believe. I feel lots of parents just don't have the balls to not coddle their children, and they justify this fear with rude comments like this. FYI the two blind kids actually knew each other when they were kids, and I "kid" you not the kid that was the "libertarian" bullied and beat up the other one because he was thinking "wtf, why is this other kid helpless." Listen to both podcasts. Worth it for any parent as it gives a true more "scientific" perspective on the coddling going on with kids today.
  - virgil_disgr4ce 6y ago
    A handy rule of thumb I employ is that any hot take that includes the phrase "kids today" can be immediately ignored. Any generalization of that scope is laughable.
    - nendroid 6y ago
      Doesn't make sense because kids today are exactly the same as kids in the past. This is science and its about research that the scientist did to prove something.
      - nineplay 6y ago
        ( Edited after being fairly criticized for not contributing to the conversation ) It's problematic to say that scientists have 'proved' anything. Scientist's conclusions are always based on the available data, and at any point new data may come along that disproves their conclusion. Scientists know this of course, which is why reputable ones are never going to step forward and announce "I have proved..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_evidence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_evidence > evidence cannot prove a theory correct because other evidence, yet to be discovered, may exist that is inconsistent with the theory
ardy42 6y ago
> Your kid will be corrupted by society anyway. What's this whole thing about protecting children from the reality of the real world anyway? > A bit off topic but a serious question. What's your logical reasoning for blocking the content now. It's just slowing down what he will be able to see (by deliberately going around you) within a couple years. I never understood this with parents. Children are not little adults. They're still developing and learning things that you and I would consider basic. It makes sense to delay their exposure to certain things until they have the maturity and knowledge to process them properly.
- lerptime 6y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24790837 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24790837
nineplay 6y ago
I'll point up to the original topic. Do you think it's a good idea to let a young child watch anti-vaccine videos? What about political videos which claim that 'the other' side supports killing babies? Young kids don't yet have the context to understand lying and propaganda, and it's not clear when they'd have the mental maturity to understand it. More specifically, I was raised in a generation where adults didn't worry particularly about children seeing violent or upsetting content and it brought me nothing but nightmares and a lifetime of insomnia.
- lerptime 6y ago
  I would explain the content to them. Explain all the different sides and my personal views on it as well as direct him to content with opposing views. Then I would let him form his own opinion. My job as a parent is to help him understand. Not to build a bubble. As for violent content I would tell my kid to just watch out for that and that the content is unpleasant. It's his choice whether he wants to see it. Usually at that age adult content or violent content is uninteresting or unpleasant so kids tend to avoid it anyway.
  - nineplay 6y ago
    I will happily concede that your three year old is a more advanced thinker than mine is. As for violent content, with YouTube specifically it is easy to watch it without being forewarned. I don't know if you are aware of Elsagate but the whole goal is to get kids to watch horribly disturbing content without warning.
    - nendroid 6y ago
      6 year old. At 3, he just had a playstation.
      - nineplay 6y ago
        When he was 3, were you protecting him from the reality of the real world?

pessimizer 6y ago

You've never understood why parents protect children from things that they will eventually be exposed to as adults? If your goal is to give your children unfiltered access to "reality," parents are entirely unnecessary after birth.

lerptime 6y ago
>You've never understood why parents protect children from things that they will eventually be exposed to as adults? If your goal is to give your children unfiltered access to "reality," parents are entirely unnecessary after birth. Hey I have a different opinion than you. I think you should respect that rather than say parents are unnecessary after birth. That's rude. First off think about it logically. Why indeed do parents have to protect children from things they will not only be exposed to as adults but things they will inevitably seek and successfully expose themselves to BEFORE they become adults. Your job as a parent is to protect your kid from actual harm and to teach your kid and feed your kid and guide your kid. Your optional side job is to protect your kid from "reality" that's your own personal choice and there are actual scientific observations of the result. The podcast below actually illustrates a scientific study on the subject: https://www.npr.org/programs/invisibilia/378577902/how-to-become-batman https://www.npr.org/programs/invisibilia/378577902/how-to-be... A part of it actually follows two blind kids with different parents and different parenting choices. One parent chose to protect his blind kid from reality. The other parent gave the blind kid a bike for a birthday present two weeks after the crazy blind kid lost his two front teeth from running into a wall. Do you want to know the end result of sheltering a blind kid versus encouraging one to explore reality? Watch the podcast to find out. Very interesting if your a parent. Let's just say one blind kid (now adult) now walks around the world as if he can see and literally uses echolocation to navigate the world. The other blind kid walks the world as if he's a crippled blind man. Here's another one: https://www.npr.org/2015/01/16/377517810/world-with-no-fear https://www.npr.org/2015/01/16/377517810/world-with-no-fear Also about kids. Talking about how kids today only wander around their homes while kids in the 60s and 70s wander around the whole town by themselves. It's attributed to different parenting styles and fear of exposing kids to the real world. Parents in the 70s were much less fearful about protecting kids from reality. Parents today are scared of everything. But the illogical difference here is that from the 70s to now, crime has actually gone down. Your kids today are more safe than ever before but parents are more restrictive and scared than they ever were before.
- soledades 6y ago
  Wow, A real life libertarian true believer, look at that. I didn't know there was such a thing
  - nendroid 6y ago
    Whatever works is what I believe. I feel lots of parents just don't have the balls to not coddle their children, and they justify this fear with rude comments like this. FYI the two blind kids actually knew each other when they were kids, and I "kid" you not the kid that was the "libertarian" bullied and beat up the other one because he was thinking "wtf, why is this other kid helpless." Listen to both podcasts. Worth it for any parent as it gives a true more "scientific" perspective on the coddling going on with kids today.
- virgil_disgr4ce 6y ago
  A handy rule of thumb I employ is that any hot take that includes the phrase "kids today" can be immediately ignored. Any generalization of that scope is laughable.
  - nendroid 6y ago
    Doesn't make sense because kids today are exactly the same as kids in the past. This is science and its about research that the scientist did to prove something.
    - nineplay 6y ago
      ( Edited after being fairly criticized for not contributing to the conversation ) It's problematic to say that scientists have 'proved' anything. Scientist's conclusions are always based on the available data, and at any point new data may come along that disproves their conclusion. Scientists know this of course, which is why reputable ones are never going to step forward and announce "I have proved..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_evidence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_evidence > evidence cannot prove a theory correct because other evidence, yet to be discovered, may exist that is inconsistent with the theory

ardy42 6y ago

> Your kid will be corrupted by society anyway. What's this whole thing about protecting children from the reality of the real world anyway? > A bit off topic but a serious question. What's your logical reasoning for blocking the content now. It's just slowing down what he will be able to see (by deliberately going around you) within a couple years. I never understood this with parents. Children are not little adults. They're still developing and learning things that you and I would consider basic. It makes sense to delay their exposure to certain things until they have the maturity and knowledge to process them properly.

lerptime 6y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24790837 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24790837

nineplay 6y ago

I'll point up to the original topic. Do you think it's a good idea to let a young child watch anti-vaccine videos? What about political videos which claim that 'the other' side supports killing babies? Young kids don't yet have the context to understand lying and propaganda, and it's not clear when they'd have the mental maturity to understand it. More specifically, I was raised in a generation where adults didn't worry particularly about children seeing violent or upsetting content and it brought me nothing but nightmares and a lifetime of insomnia.

lerptime 6y ago
I would explain the content to them. Explain all the different sides and my personal views on it as well as direct him to content with opposing views. Then I would let him form his own opinion. My job as a parent is to help him understand. Not to build a bubble. As for violent content I would tell my kid to just watch out for that and that the content is unpleasant. It's his choice whether he wants to see it. Usually at that age adult content or violent content is uninteresting or unpleasant so kids tend to avoid it anyway.
- nineplay 6y ago
  I will happily concede that your three year old is a more advanced thinker than mine is. As for violent content, with YouTube specifically it is easy to watch it without being forewarned. I don't know if you are aware of Elsagate but the whole goal is to get kids to watch horribly disturbing content without warning.
  - nendroid 6y ago
    6 year old. At 3, he just had a playstation.
    - nineplay 6y ago
      When he was 3, were you protecting him from the reality of the real world?