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The future looks scary if China is going to lead the world. Our best bet is to share wealth and innovation to all the other countries to try and reduce economic

The future looks scary if China is going to lead the world. Our best bet is to share wealth and innovation to all the other countries to try and reduce economic power of a single country. Having India, Pakistan, Thailand, Taiwan, Korea and Japan grow enough to create a sort of "buffer zone" around China.

MichaelMoser123 6y ago
i think the Chinese model is more influential than you might want to admit; for example universal surveillance of private communication and some kind of profiling based on big data is now the practice in many places. I am afraid that a movement towards more control by the central state will be an important current in the period after the Corona epidemic (the states had to take measures to stem the epidemic and once a state bureaucracy got new powers it will be very reluctant to let go of its power); We might see even more points of convergence in the future.
Hokusai 6y ago
The future is scary if any sole country leads the world. Only cooperation and shared responsibility creates a viable future for humanity.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 6y ago
  The present is already scary. The US have led the work without cooperation for quite a long time (remember the 2003 invasion of Iraq?).
  - DFHippie 6y ago
    Aside: Most Americans who voted voted against Bush in 2000, and he would have lost the election altogether if the votes in Florida had been properly tallied. Most Americans who voted voted against Trump in 2016. Trump might win in November as well but nobody, not even in Trump's camp, thinks he will win the majority of the popular vote. This isn't quite on point, but all the collective guilt being slung about in these comments is problematic. I notice you use British collective plural -- "The US have". I don't know whether this is because you imagine the states collectively leading the world or the population of the states, but it suggests you assign collective blame.
    - SCHiM 6y ago
      You can't have it both ways. Either you're a democracy and the citizens are responsible for the actions of their government, or you're not. You can't hand-wave that away with "our democracy just works slowly" or "but the popular vote this and that". That's the society your democracy has formed over decades. It's your responsibility.
      - EForEndeavour 6y ago
        Is blinding yourself to all nuance and context about the decisions of a nation's government really the right way to think about the world?
      - DFHippie 6y ago
        When Derek Chauvin murdered George Floyd that was a failure on Floyd's part, right? He was a citizen of the democracy and citizens are responsible for what is done in their name. Boy Navalny sure did screw up when his Russian democracy poisoned him. And don't get me started on the Jews killed by the Nazis. Sure, the Nazis came to power by a putsch and other nefarious means, but you can't hand-wave away their responsibility for the democratic elections which put the Nazis into position to seize power. Yes, I take responsibility for US actions, and that consists of voting and otherwise using my power to steer the government towards moral choices.
anrsaxen 6y ago
Fair suggestion, however in this list - Pakistan is China's client state since decades. China has provided Pakistan everything from missiles to nuclear bomb to military drones. And now China is building its Belt and Road's largest project through Pakistan. Time to identify which countries are in Chinese camp (North Korea, Pakistan, a few African dictatorships).

MichaelMoser123 6y ago

i think the Chinese model is more influential than you might want to admit; for example universal surveillance of private communication and some kind of profiling based on big data is now the practice in many places. I am afraid that a movement towards more control by the central state will be an important current in the period after the Corona epidemic (the states had to take measures to stem the epidemic and once a state bureaucracy got new powers it will be very reluctant to let go of its power); We might see even more points of convergence in the future.

Hokusai 6y ago

The future is scary if any sole country leads the world. Only cooperation and shared responsibility creates a viable future for humanity.

rcMgD2BwE72F 6y ago
The present is already scary. The US have led the work without cooperation for quite a long time (remember the 2003 invasion of Iraq?).
- DFHippie 6y ago
  Aside: Most Americans who voted voted against Bush in 2000, and he would have lost the election altogether if the votes in Florida had been properly tallied. Most Americans who voted voted against Trump in 2016. Trump might win in November as well but nobody, not even in Trump's camp, thinks he will win the majority of the popular vote. This isn't quite on point, but all the collective guilt being slung about in these comments is problematic. I notice you use British collective plural -- "The US have". I don't know whether this is because you imagine the states collectively leading the world or the population of the states, but it suggests you assign collective blame.
  - SCHiM 6y ago
    You can't have it both ways. Either you're a democracy and the citizens are responsible for the actions of their government, or you're not. You can't hand-wave that away with "our democracy just works slowly" or "but the popular vote this and that". That's the society your democracy has formed over decades. It's your responsibility.
    - EForEndeavour 6y ago
      Is blinding yourself to all nuance and context about the decisions of a nation's government really the right way to think about the world?
    - DFHippie 6y ago
      When Derek Chauvin murdered George Floyd that was a failure on Floyd's part, right? He was a citizen of the democracy and citizens are responsible for what is done in their name. Boy Navalny sure did screw up when his Russian democracy poisoned him. And don't get me started on the Jews killed by the Nazis. Sure, the Nazis came to power by a putsch and other nefarious means, but you can't hand-wave away their responsibility for the democratic elections which put the Nazis into position to seize power. Yes, I take responsibility for US actions, and that consists of voting and otherwise using my power to steer the government towards moral choices.

anrsaxen 6y ago

Fair suggestion, however in this list - Pakistan is China's client state since decades. China has provided Pakistan everything from missiles to nuclear bomb to military drones. And now China is building its Belt and Road's largest project through Pakistan. Time to identify which countries are in Chinese camp (North Korea, Pakistan, a few African dictatorships).