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What makes "gambling" such a special case to take up 22 out of 71 categories (30%) https://register.apple.com/resources/imdf/Categories/#section https://regist

What makes "gambling" such a special case to take up 22 out of 71 categories (30%) https://register.apple.com/resources/imdf/Categories/#section https://register.apple.com/resources/imdf/Categories/#sectio...

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andonisus 6y ago
They likely see casinos as consumers of applications providing indoor wayfinding using this specification.
- vincnetas 6y ago
  So "are casinos purposefully hard to navigate" or "is it a tool for casinos to make them easy to navigate"? Sounds contradicting.
  - dspillett 6y ago
    Perhaps both. A tool to make it easy for casinos to navigate you past the things they want you to encounter while trying to get to something else. Much like the careful planning that goes into arranging supermarkets and similar to encourage impulse buys.
    - pbronez 6y ago
      Heh “in capitalist America casino navigates you!”
      - oarsinsync 6y ago
        Presumably you're being downvoted because reddit-style memes are generally not appreciated here. That said, my understanding of the meme is that it's a commentary/exaggeration on a nation state where the state controls all aspects of your lives. I don't think it's terrible to highlight the parallel to the way private businesses are actively profiling all of their users in order to manipulate their behaviour through advertising. While the state has the ability to remove your freedoms, incarcerate you, or even potentially execute you (depending on which state you live in, be it a US state, or a different nation state) that private companies do not have in quite the same way, think about what the implications of losing access to their Google / Apple account would have on the average person, and what 'crimes' are required in order to deliver that 'punishment'. Algorithms or not, we now live in a world where punishments in the form of loss of access to vital services are dished out randomly, by the same people who are profiling and controlling our behaviour. Whether or not this is by design, it's also supremely effective in ensuring compliance. When the exact rules and limits are known, they can be worked around and/or contested effectively. When they are unknown, a wider berth becomes necessary in order to reduce risk. This feels like it could be subject of a more light hearted academic paper investigating if there is a juxtaposition between "In Soviet Russia" memes and the FAANG world we live in today, or if they're similar than we would generally/comfortably like to think.
  - culturestate 6y ago
    Casinos have two goals: keep you inside as long as they can, and maximize the amount of that time that you spend gambling. If they can make it hard for you to find the exit but easy for you to find the craps table, that's a win for the house.
  - wang_li 6y ago
    Could be two different audiences here. Staff and customer. And the use cases could go beyond pathfinding to event planning and such. Given how fine grained it is, I wouldn’t be surprised if they’ve already done work with some casinos.
culturestate 6y ago
Casinos are purposefully hard to navigate and people tend to look for specific games; it’s an excellent use case for indoor maps.
- charliemil4 6y ago
  Right, just as milk and eggs are in the ‘back’ of modern supermarkets - the tension between these maps and other semi-hostile design patterns will be fun to watch in future architecture.
- rrrrrrrrrrrryan 6y ago
  Hey - something I actually have experience in. I worked for a company that made software for casinos to help them optimize the layouts of their floors. Most of these bullet points are for table games, which should be more-or-less sensibly layed out and easy to find. All the "purposefully hard to navigate" bits of a casino are the slot machines, and an unbelievable amount of work goes into physically organizing the floor to manipulate people into playing certain machines over others. Here, Apple's lumped all of the slot machines into just two bullet-points: "gambling.slotmachine" and "gambling.slotmachine.highlimit"
  - culturestate 6y ago
    > table games...should be more-or-less sensibly layed out and easy to find It depends a lot on what you’re after and where you are. I can pretty quickly find eg a craps table in any Vegas casino, but I once wandered around Wynn Macau for literally 20 minutes to find the one table in that entire building. Coulda really used a map.

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andonisus 6y ago

They likely see casinos as consumers of applications providing indoor wayfinding using this specification.

vincnetas 6y ago
So "are casinos purposefully hard to navigate" or "is it a tool for casinos to make them easy to navigate"? Sounds contradicting.
- dspillett 6y ago
  Perhaps both. A tool to make it easy for casinos to navigate you past the things they want you to encounter while trying to get to something else. Much like the careful planning that goes into arranging supermarkets and similar to encourage impulse buys.
  - pbronez 6y ago
    Heh “in capitalist America casino navigates you!”
    - oarsinsync 6y ago
      Presumably you're being downvoted because reddit-style memes are generally not appreciated here. That said, my understanding of the meme is that it's a commentary/exaggeration on a nation state where the state controls all aspects of your lives. I don't think it's terrible to highlight the parallel to the way private businesses are actively profiling all of their users in order to manipulate their behaviour through advertising. While the state has the ability to remove your freedoms, incarcerate you, or even potentially execute you (depending on which state you live in, be it a US state, or a different nation state) that private companies do not have in quite the same way, think about what the implications of losing access to their Google / Apple account would have on the average person, and what 'crimes' are required in order to deliver that 'punishment'. Algorithms or not, we now live in a world where punishments in the form of loss of access to vital services are dished out randomly, by the same people who are profiling and controlling our behaviour. Whether or not this is by design, it's also supremely effective in ensuring compliance. When the exact rules and limits are known, they can be worked around and/or contested effectively. When they are unknown, a wider berth becomes necessary in order to reduce risk. This feels like it could be subject of a more light hearted academic paper investigating if there is a juxtaposition between "In Soviet Russia" memes and the FAANG world we live in today, or if they're similar than we would generally/comfortably like to think.
- culturestate 6y ago
  Casinos have two goals: keep you inside as long as they can, and maximize the amount of that time that you spend gambling. If they can make it hard for you to find the exit but easy for you to find the craps table, that's a win for the house.
- wang_li 6y ago
  Could be two different audiences here. Staff and customer. And the use cases could go beyond pathfinding to event planning and such. Given how fine grained it is, I wouldn’t be surprised if they’ve already done work with some casinos.

culturestate 6y ago

Casinos are purposefully hard to navigate and people tend to look for specific games; it’s an excellent use case for indoor maps.

charliemil4 6y ago
Right, just as milk and eggs are in the ‘back’ of modern supermarkets - the tension between these maps and other semi-hostile design patterns will be fun to watch in future architecture.
rrrrrrrrrrrryan 6y ago
Hey - something I actually have experience in. I worked for a company that made software for casinos to help them optimize the layouts of their floors. Most of these bullet points are for table games, which should be more-or-less sensibly layed out and easy to find. All the "purposefully hard to navigate" bits of a casino are the slot machines, and an unbelievable amount of work goes into physically organizing the floor to manipulate people into playing certain machines over others. Here, Apple's lumped all of the slot machines into just two bullet-points: "gambling.slotmachine" and "gambling.slotmachine.highlimit"
- culturestate 6y ago
  > table games...should be more-or-less sensibly layed out and easy to find It depends a lot on what you’re after and where you are. I can pretty quickly find eg a craps table in any Vegas casino, but I once wandered around Wynn Macau for literally 20 minutes to find the one table in that entire building. Coulda really used a map.