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Indeed. Something thought to be right was actually wrong. Happens all the time. And of course something thought to be wrong was actually right. This is why disa

by lki876 6y ago

Indeed. Something thought to be right was actually wrong. Happens all the time. And of course something thought to be wrong was actually right. This is why disallowing "misinformation" is utterly stupid.

dtech 6y ago
This is not an argument to allow any fearmongering and actively spreading a harmful message. You can use this argument to say nothing should ever be forbidden/punished to say ever.
- lki876 6y ago
  > This is not an argument to allow any fearmongering So let's ban information that claims corona isn't that bad then, because it's DANGEROUS and you should BE SCARED and PEOPLE ARE DYING and if you don't wear the mask YOU COULD KILL PEOPLE.
- jstanley 6y ago
  > You can use this argument to say nothing should ever be forbidden/punished to say ever. Yes!
  - dtech 6y ago
    Ok, so everyone should be allowed to broadcast, promote and advertise: "all white people are inherently evil and criminal and should all be exterminated, go out and shoot every and kill every white person you see!"?
    - jstanley 6y ago
      In my view: yes. You can say whatever you want, and if you say stupid things people will think you are stupid.
      - lki876 6y ago
        Then a hundred years after you were burnt at the stake, it turns out you may have had a point.
    - SuoDuanDao 6y ago
      Are you saying that's not allowed now?
      - dtech 6y ago
        In most western countries you aren't allowed to put something like that on TV and would probably end up in jail.
    - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
      With speech, obviously there’s going to be a line after which you descend into madness and that line is legally speaking usually drawn at directly inciting violence. That’s what is considered “spreading a harmful message”. But by censoring COVID, Youtube is moving this line quite a bit, to a point where we’re talking nowhere near as harmful messages. The point is that unlike with someone saying “kill people”, here it’s not that obvious whether an idea is “wrong” or “right”.
      - dtech 6y ago
        There's more things banned. I cannot put an ad on TV that all gay people or Christians should be fired and shunned from society, even though that's not inciting violence. My point was more that there's limits to free speech when it's harmful as a response to someone who said that everything should always be allowed everywhere. You can debate whether that should include Covid misinformation and to what extent, but I would say unsubstantiated claims like vaccines will make you infertile are harmful to public health and are definitely candidates.
        dragonwriter 6y ago
        > I cannot put an ad on TV that all gay people or Christians should be fired and shunned from society You absolutely can both legally, and practically at least the first and probably the second. Heck, the former has been part of the main editorial content on some TV outlets, not just advertising.
- SuoDuanDao 6y ago
  Stop fearmongering!

by lki876 6y ago

dtech 6y ago

This is not an argument to allow any fearmongering and actively spreading a harmful message. You can use this argument to say nothing should ever be forbidden/punished to say ever.

lki876 6y ago
> This is not an argument to allow any fearmongering So let's ban information that claims corona isn't that bad then, because it's DANGEROUS and you should BE SCARED and PEOPLE ARE DYING and if you don't wear the mask YOU COULD KILL PEOPLE.
jstanley 6y ago
> You can use this argument to say nothing should ever be forbidden/punished to say ever. Yes!
- dtech 6y ago
  Ok, so everyone should be allowed to broadcast, promote and advertise: "all white people are inherently evil and criminal and should all be exterminated, go out and shoot every and kill every white person you see!"?
  - jstanley 6y ago
    In my view: yes. You can say whatever you want, and if you say stupid things people will think you are stupid.
    - lki876 6y ago
      Then a hundred years after you were burnt at the stake, it turns out you may have had a point.
  - SuoDuanDao 6y ago
    Are you saying that's not allowed now?
    - dtech 6y ago
      In most western countries you aren't allowed to put something like that on TV and would probably end up in jail.
  - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
    With speech, obviously there’s going to be a line after which you descend into madness and that line is legally speaking usually drawn at directly inciting violence. That’s what is considered “spreading a harmful message”. But by censoring COVID, Youtube is moving this line quite a bit, to a point where we’re talking nowhere near as harmful messages. The point is that unlike with someone saying “kill people”, here it’s not that obvious whether an idea is “wrong” or “right”.
    - dtech 6y ago
      There's more things banned. I cannot put an ad on TV that all gay people or Christians should be fired and shunned from society, even though that's not inciting violence. My point was more that there's limits to free speech when it's harmful as a response to someone who said that everything should always be allowed everywhere. You can debate whether that should include Covid misinformation and to what extent, but I would say unsubstantiated claims like vaccines will make you infertile are harmful to public health and are definitely candidates.
      - dragonwriter 6y ago
        > I cannot put an ad on TV that all gay people or Christians should be fired and shunned from society You absolutely can both legally, and practically at least the first and probably the second. Heck, the former has been part of the main editorial content on some TV outlets, not just advertising.
SuoDuanDao 6y ago
Stop fearmongering!