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Just like eating 'fads' lollies as a kid is not a slippery slope to drug addiction. Banning clear misinformation* is not a slippery slope to censorship. Just l

by cam_l 6y ago

Just like eating 'fads' lollies as a kid is not a slippery slope to drug addiction. Banning clear misinformation* is not a slippery slope to censorship. Just like drug addiction, each step along the path to censorship is a clear decisive act. I am way more concerned about the fast train to banning encryption than the baby step of banning misinformation. And by the way, let's also not lose sight of the fact that presenting misinformation is a bastard political act itself. Fuck those people. Edit: *on a non government platform

ipiz0618 6y ago
This is assuming that the YouTube management (or the software behind) is authoritative of what information is correct. In reality, YouTube has not just once banned stuff "by mistake" and will continue to do so.
- cam_l 6y ago
  I make no such assumption. I merely suggest that the line between mistake and "mistake" is a deliberate step. It is a choice the management decided to take and were rightly ashamed of. Making an argument for 'misinformation cesspit' over 'moderation' is just never going to be an argument you can win. Not with the business, and not with the public. This is one of those 'perfect is the enemy of good' things. If you don't give them a good business option to take, you will get handed the easy one (and it sure as shit is not going to be perfect).
- imhoguy 6y ago
  And it is not even management who makes the final censoring decisions. Does being content moderator require degree in any related area, or is it just group of trained low wage hires to review user or AI flagged content and decide on ban/leave? Honestly I would like to try out such job shaddowing myself.
- tshaddox 6y ago
  If you oppose all human processes in which it is possible to make a mistake, then you oppose all human processes.
MinusGix 6y ago
The problem is that YouTube is so large, and while it is not governmental it is one of the few video sharing platforms that people remotely care about. Coming in behind is places like vimeo. Then super far behind are various smaller video sites (such as ones that use PeerTube). While presenting misinformation is a political act, it is a more 'neutral' political act. In that, since many people are able to put forward content, that doesn't stop ideas from either side. Yes, that doesn't mean that truth will automatically come from that mix, but it allows for the potential of truth to be found. When you have a massive company controlling so much of content, it has a large amount of ability to influence the people using the platform. As well, I think banning misinformation is a legitimate slippery slope. It increases people's willingness to have other's censored for their incorrect beliefs, which once you have gotten far enough will be the new normal.

by cam_l 6y ago

ipiz0618 6y ago

This is assuming that the YouTube management (or the software behind) is authoritative of what information is correct. In reality, YouTube has not just once banned stuff "by mistake" and will continue to do so.

cam_l 6y ago
I make no such assumption. I merely suggest that the line between mistake and "mistake" is a deliberate step. It is a choice the management decided to take and were rightly ashamed of. Making an argument for 'misinformation cesspit' over 'moderation' is just never going to be an argument you can win. Not with the business, and not with the public. This is one of those 'perfect is the enemy of good' things. If you don't give them a good business option to take, you will get handed the easy one (and it sure as shit is not going to be perfect).
imhoguy 6y ago
And it is not even management who makes the final censoring decisions. Does being content moderator require degree in any related area, or is it just group of trained low wage hires to review user or AI flagged content and decide on ban/leave? Honestly I would like to try out such job shaddowing myself.
tshaddox 6y ago
If you oppose all human processes in which it is possible to make a mistake, then you oppose all human processes.

MinusGix 6y ago

The problem is that YouTube is so large, and while it is not governmental it is one of the few video sharing platforms that people remotely care about. Coming in behind is places like vimeo. Then super far behind are various smaller video sites (such as ones that use PeerTube). While presenting misinformation is a political act, it is a more 'neutral' political act. In that, since many people are able to put forward content, that doesn't stop ideas from either side. Yes, that doesn't mean that truth will automatically come from that mix, but it allows for the potential of truth to be found. When you have a massive company controlling so much of content, it has a large amount of ability to influence the people using the platform. As well, I think banning misinformation is a legitimate slippery slope. It increases people's willingness to have other's censored for their incorrect beliefs, which once you have gotten far enough will be the new normal.