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This should probably be made clearer to people who consider donating to the Mozilla Foundation, then. Because I bet many donate because they want to support Fi

This should probably be made clearer to people who consider donating to the Mozilla Foundation, then. Because I bet many donate because they want to support Firefox.

boomboomsubban 6y ago
How should they make it clearer? Their donate page says the donations are to "carry out our mission to keep the Web open and free" and links to a FAQ that details what the donations are used for and how Firefox is separate.
- freshsqueeze 6y ago
  should say something like "goes to some non-profit exec leeches"
  - jessaustin 6y ago
    It's a non-profit charity, right? Is any potential donor unaware of this phenomenon?
  - boomboomsubban 6y ago
    The Mozilla Foundation's 8 person board of directors seems to receive no salary, so your donation wouldn't pay for that.
- tmzt 6y ago
  Except, "keep the web open and free" was a big part of the marketing around Firefox when the target was IE. The New York Times ad was paid for through donations to present an alternative to the closed ecosystem dominated by one browser that didn't follow open standards. https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/11/14/fast-for-good-launching-the-new-firefox-into-the-world/nyt_ad_large_2004/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/11/14/fast-for-good-launc... Early versions of Firefox featured links to various news organizations and stories pulled from their feeds, until certain jurisdictions threatened to block the browser entirely. At some point their missions may have diverged, but the marketing of both were closely intertwined. MoFo accepted donations and other sources of funds which it used, in part, to fund development of a browser by MoCo. Other projects came later, but the community's understanding of their respective roles remained the same. As a long-term observer I followed this closely when the Foundation and Commercial split was announced, and remember reassurance s about the core mission being loudly proclaimed. Here it is from the former CLW herself: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2007/08/09/firefox-is-a-public-asset/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2007/08/09/firefox-is-a-public...
  - boomboomsubban 6y ago
    >The New York Times ad was paid for through donations While true, those donations were largely from sources connected to Netscape. If they had built a normal corporation, it'd be startup capital. >MoFo accepted donations and other sources of funds which it used, in part, to fund development of a browser by MoCo Mozilla Corporation saw $60 million in revenue in the first year, at no point were the donations a significant source of income. >remember reassurance s about the core mission being loudly proclaimed. Here's the actual "core mission" they launched at the time, note the pledge containing >Use the Mozilla assets (intellectual property such as copyrights and trademarks, infrastructure, funds, and reputation) to keep the Internet an open platform; https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/details/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/details/
- anoncake 6y ago
  Sexist projects like Outreachy aren't required to keep the web open and free.
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This should probably be made clearer to people who consider donating to the Mozilla Foundation, then. Because I bet many donate because they want to support Firefox.

boomboomsubban 6y ago

How should they make it clearer? Their donate page says the donations are to "carry out our mission to keep the Web open and free" and links to a FAQ that details what the donations are used for and how Firefox is separate.

freshsqueeze 6y ago
should say something like "goes to some non-profit exec leeches"
- jessaustin 6y ago
  It's a non-profit charity, right? Is any potential donor unaware of this phenomenon?
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  The Mozilla Foundation's 8 person board of directors seems to receive no salary, so your donation wouldn't pay for that.
tmzt 6y ago
Except, "keep the web open and free" was a big part of the marketing around Firefox when the target was IE. The New York Times ad was paid for through donations to present an alternative to the closed ecosystem dominated by one browser that didn't follow open standards. https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/11/14/fast-for-good-launching-the-new-firefox-into-the-world/nyt_ad_large_2004/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/11/14/fast-for-good-launc... Early versions of Firefox featured links to various news organizations and stories pulled from their feeds, until certain jurisdictions threatened to block the browser entirely. At some point their missions may have diverged, but the marketing of both were closely intertwined. MoFo accepted donations and other sources of funds which it used, in part, to fund development of a browser by MoCo. Other projects came later, but the community's understanding of their respective roles remained the same. As a long-term observer I followed this closely when the Foundation and Commercial split was announced, and remember reassurance s about the core mission being loudly proclaimed. Here it is from the former CLW herself: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2007/08/09/firefox-is-a-public-asset/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2007/08/09/firefox-is-a-public...
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  >The New York Times ad was paid for through donations While true, those donations were largely from sources connected to Netscape. If they had built a normal corporation, it'd be startup capital. >MoFo accepted donations and other sources of funds which it used, in part, to fund development of a browser by MoCo Mozilla Corporation saw $60 million in revenue in the first year, at no point were the donations a significant source of income. >remember reassurance s about the core mission being loudly proclaimed. Here's the actual "core mission" they launched at the time, note the pledge containing >Use the Mozilla assets (intellectual property such as copyrights and trademarks, infrastructure, funds, and reputation) to keep the Internet an open platform; https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/details/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/details/
anoncake 6y ago
Sexist projects like Outreachy aren't required to keep the web open and free.

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