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"Fake news" is a call to criticism. The amount of people bringing up "fake news" and calling for say, CNN, to not be able to report at all is minimal. Comparati

"Fake news" is a call to criticism. The amount of people bringing up "fake news" and calling for say, CNN, to not be able to report at all is minimal. Comparatively you can't have a conversation about "disinformation" without talking about social media companies' responsibility to delete or hide content.

nemothekid 6y ago
Ah ok, when Trump says a negative article about him is "fake news" it's criticism, but when "disinformation" comes out about Biden it's a call for censorship? Am I insane for seeing the dissonance here?
- p1necone 6y ago
  You're not insane. Don't fall into the trap of thinking these people don't see the hypocrisy in what they're saying. Gaslighting and projection is all part of the alt right playbook.
  - logarhythmic 6y ago
    Are you really concluding those commenters are "alt right" based off of what they said? I find that bizarre
- refurb 6y ago
  One of them is saying “it’s not true” and one of them is saying “we should stop the public from seeing that”.
  - nobody9999 6y ago
    >One of them is saying “it’s not true” and one of them is saying “we should stop the public from seeing that”. In this case, who is saying "we should stop the public from seeing that?" Not Biden. His campaign folks said "it's not true." I'm unaware of any calls from Biden to censor anything. Ever. Please do correct me if I'm wrong.
- easterncalculus 6y ago
  I am agreeing with refurb's comment below you. Most people calling "fake news" are trying to convince you to not watch something. Most people calling "disinformation" are trying to convince you that you should not be able to watch something. I'm not taking the side of Trump or anyone at all by saying that criticism is different than censorship, that's just a fact. Your argument is not in good faith if bringing that up to you is considered an implicit support for Trump, or anyone really.
  - nemothekid 6y ago
    >Most people calling "disinformation" are trying to convince you that you should not be able to watch something. I know it's been an insane 4 years, but, for Trump, this isn't true. He said, in his first year, he wanted to stated to take NBC off the air[1]. It's a message that he's been saying since before he took office. Understandably, taking a billion dollar corporation off the air is a lot more difficult than wiping an anonymous poster online, but to imply that "Fake News" is entirely just criticism is just complete ignorance of what the man has been saying for years. >I'm not taking the side of Trump or anyone at all by saying that criticism is different than censorship, that's just a fact. Your argument is not in good faith if bringing that up to you is considered an implicit support for Trump, or anyone really. If someone says the only people screaming for censorship are firmly on the left, how am I supposed to argue that point without focusing on Trump? I'm not bringing this up because I want you to vote Biden or not vote for Trump, but to dispel this notion that "censorship" is exclusively some far left/right tool of oppression. My personal view is that these platform should do whatever they want, just like how HN mods run Hn the way they feel, and no private platform is "obliged" to give you a platform no matter how large they are. Regardless the _government_ should be limited in power to tell private companies in what they should and should not publish. To this day, there has been no _US government_ pressure to "censor" legal political posts - it's been entirely private actors who have taken censorship action. However to suggest that one side is 100% free speech and the other side are coming to take your "free speech" is misrepresenting what both sides. [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-nbc-license-ban-tweet-cnn-shut-down-fake-news-threat-latest-a7994861.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...
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nemothekid 6y ago

Ah ok, when Trump says a negative article about him is "fake news" it's criticism, but when "disinformation" comes out about Biden it's a call for censorship? Am I insane for seeing the dissonance here?

p1necone 6y ago
You're not insane. Don't fall into the trap of thinking these people don't see the hypocrisy in what they're saying. Gaslighting and projection is all part of the alt right playbook.
- logarhythmic 6y ago
  Are you really concluding those commenters are "alt right" based off of what they said? I find that bizarre
refurb 6y ago
One of them is saying “it’s not true” and one of them is saying “we should stop the public from seeing that”.
- nobody9999 6y ago
  >One of them is saying “it’s not true” and one of them is saying “we should stop the public from seeing that”. In this case, who is saying "we should stop the public from seeing that?" Not Biden. His campaign folks said "it's not true." I'm unaware of any calls from Biden to censor anything. Ever. Please do correct me if I'm wrong.
easterncalculus 6y ago
I am agreeing with refurb's comment below you. Most people calling "fake news" are trying to convince you to not watch something. Most people calling "disinformation" are trying to convince you that you should not be able to watch something. I'm not taking the side of Trump or anyone at all by saying that criticism is different than censorship, that's just a fact. Your argument is not in good faith if bringing that up to you is considered an implicit support for Trump, or anyone really.
- nemothekid 6y ago
  >Most people calling "disinformation" are trying to convince you that you should not be able to watch something. I know it's been an insane 4 years, but, for Trump, this isn't true. He said, in his first year, he wanted to stated to take NBC off the air[1]. It's a message that he's been saying since before he took office. Understandably, taking a billion dollar corporation off the air is a lot more difficult than wiping an anonymous poster online, but to imply that "Fake News" is entirely just criticism is just complete ignorance of what the man has been saying for years. >I'm not taking the side of Trump or anyone at all by saying that criticism is different than censorship, that's just a fact. Your argument is not in good faith if bringing that up to you is considered an implicit support for Trump, or anyone really. If someone says the only people screaming for censorship are firmly on the left, how am I supposed to argue that point without focusing on Trump? I'm not bringing this up because I want you to vote Biden or not vote for Trump, but to dispel this notion that "censorship" is exclusively some far left/right tool of oppression. My personal view is that these platform should do whatever they want, just like how HN mods run Hn the way they feel, and no private platform is "obliged" to give you a platform no matter how large they are. Regardless the _government_ should be limited in power to tell private companies in what they should and should not publish. To this day, there has been no _US government_ pressure to "censor" legal political posts - it's been entirely private actors who have taken censorship action. However to suggest that one side is 100% free speech and the other side are coming to take your "free speech" is misrepresenting what both sides. [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-nbc-license-ban-tweet-cnn-shut-down-fake-news-threat-latest-a7994861.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...
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