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IIRC, fake news was originally used by the left, but co-opted by Trump.

by ColanR 6y ago

thinkingemote 6y ago
Correct but it was basically limited to the obviously fake "russian" troll farms.
nemothekid 6y ago
It doesn't matter, the claim "Let's be honest, the only people screaming for censorship are firmly on the left." is demonstrably false.
- MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago
  The left wants to censor conservative voices. The right wants to censor immoral voices.
- mellosouls 6y ago
  A strange thing to say in a thread commenting on a news item where the left are censoring the right. Again.
  - nemothekid 6y ago
    Today, I flipped a coin and it landed heads, the same as yesterday. Very strange of you to say it would ever land tails.
    - mellosouls 6y ago
      I'm sure that sounds clever to you, but I've no idea what it means or what relevance it has. You said something is "demonstrably false" that is actually happening and is documented in the subject of this whole thread.
      - nemothekid 6y ago
        Do you not know what "demonstrably false" means? Here is a simple proof by contradiction: Claim: Let's be honest, the only people screaming for censorship are firmly on the left Contradiction: Trump, as I've shown in other comments, has also been calling for censorship for several news organizations. The only way you believe this claim is not demonstrably false, is if you believe Trump is firmly left, which is ridiculous, but if he is, then I guess you got me.
        mellosouls 6y ago
        The vast majority of censorship cases are from the left. Cancel culture - the left. This whole thing is a problem of the left (and I speak as a man of the left, thoroughly disgusted with the affair), and that is what I read from the "screaming" statement, and your counter as a denial of a very clear and shameful phenomenon.
cgrealy 6y ago
It was actually a fairly bipartisan term used to identify trivially disprovable stories. The right wing tended to be more political ("Obama is a muslim communist who wants your guns") while left wing fake news tended to lean more towards new age, non-evidence-based "wellness" ("this juice cleanse will prevent cancer"). Trump, in what was quite frankly the smartest political move he's ever made, turned it on it's head and basically started using it to discredit actual stories that painted him in a bad light (inauguration numbers, etc).

IIRC, fake news was originally used by the left, but co-opted by Trump.

by ColanR 6y ago

IIRC, fake news was originally used by the left, but co-opted by Trump.

thinkingemote 6y ago

Correct but it was basically limited to the obviously fake "russian" troll farms.

nemothekid 6y ago

It doesn't matter, the claim "Let's be honest, the only people screaming for censorship are firmly on the left." is demonstrably false.

MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago
The left wants to censor conservative voices. The right wants to censor immoral voices.
mellosouls 6y ago
A strange thing to say in a thread commenting on a news item where the left are censoring the right. Again.
- nemothekid 6y ago
  Today, I flipped a coin and it landed heads, the same as yesterday. Very strange of you to say it would ever land tails.
  - mellosouls 6y ago
    I'm sure that sounds clever to you, but I've no idea what it means or what relevance it has. You said something is "demonstrably false" that is actually happening and is documented in the subject of this whole thread.
    - nemothekid 6y ago
      Do you not know what "demonstrably false" means? Here is a simple proof by contradiction: Claim: Let's be honest, the only people screaming for censorship are firmly on the left Contradiction: Trump, as I've shown in other comments, has also been calling for censorship for several news organizations. The only way you believe this claim is not demonstrably false, is if you believe Trump is firmly left, which is ridiculous, but if he is, then I guess you got me.
      - mellosouls 6y ago
        The vast majority of censorship cases are from the left. Cancel culture - the left. This whole thing is a problem of the left (and I speak as a man of the left, thoroughly disgusted with the affair), and that is what I read from the "screaming" statement, and your counter as a denial of a very clear and shameful phenomenon.

cgrealy 6y ago

It was actually a fairly bipartisan term used to identify trivially disprovable stories. The right wing tended to be more political ("Obama is a muslim communist who wants your guns") while left wing fake news tended to lean more towards new age, non-evidence-based "wellness" ("this juice cleanse will prevent cancer"). Trump, in what was quite frankly the smartest political move he's ever made, turned it on it's head and basically started using it to discredit actual stories that painted him in a bad light (inauguration numbers, etc).