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A few things take make these emails a bit more credible: 1. "And I went over, I guess, the 12th, 13th time to Kiev. And I was supposed to announce that there w

A few things take make these emails a bit more credible: 1. "And I went over, I guess, the 12th, 13th time to Kiev. And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor. And they didn’t. So they said they had — they were walking out to a press conference. I said, nah, I’m not going to — or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You’re not the president. The president said — I said, call him. I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time." - Joe Biden on a Ukrainian prosecutor who was investigating Burisma, the firm that paid Hunter Biden. (source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCF9My1vBP4&t=78s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCF9My1vBP4&t=78s) 2. The photos of Hunter Biden with a crack pipe that were included. (Scroll down: https://www.the-sun.com/news/1629764/joe-biden-hunter-emails-ukraine-smoking-gun-video/ https://www.the-sun.com/news/1629764/joe-biden-hunter-emails...)

rat87 6y ago
Biden simply gave them the message from the Obama administration and the EU They wanted the prosecutor fired because he was ridiculously corrupt and protecting/ not prosecuting corrupt companies including Burisima (I repeat he dropped the investigation into Burisima). All of this is old news and was reported on during the impeachment trial
- smokebutnofire 6y ago
  Biden asked for a prosecutor to be fired because he wasn't investigating the company his crackhead son received large payouts from enough huh? That's George Washington chopping down the cherry tree level of honesty and equally rooted in reality.
  - rat87 6y ago
    > Biden asked for a prosecutor to be fired because he wasn't investigating the company his crackhead son received large payouts from enough huh? Yes. But it was not only that company. The corrupt prosecutor refused to investigate many corrupt companies and politicians. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what-really-happened-when-biden-forced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what... > "Shokin played the role of protecting the vested interest in the Ukrainian system," said Carpenter, who traveled with Biden to Ukraine in 2015. "He never went after any corrupt individuals at all, never prosecuted any high-profile cases of corruption." >That demonstrated that Poroshenko's administration was not sincere about tackling corruption and building strong, independent law enforcement agencies, said Heather Conley, director of the Europe program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington-based foreign policy think tank. > In July 2015, Shokin's office became mired in scandal after authorities raided homes belonging to two high-ranking prosecutors. Police seized millions of dollars worth of diamonds and cash, suggesting the pair had been taking bribes. > It became known as the "diamond prosecutors" case. Deputy General Prosecutor Vitaliy Kasko, who said he tried to investigate it, resigned months later, calling the prosecutor's office a "hotbed of corruption" and an "instrument of political pressure." > Shokin's office also stepped in to help Zlochevsky, the head of Burisma. > British authorities had frozen $23 million in a money-laundering probe, but Shokin's office failed to send documents British authorities needed to prosecute Zlochevsky. The case eventually unraveled and the assets were unfrozen. In October 2015, Ukrainians staged a protest outside Poroshenko's home calling for Shokin's removal. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what-really-happened-when-biden-forced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what... Biden's son hunter didn't play a role in it. Oh I'm sure that the company hired Biden's son in hopes of getting influence and that sort of soft corruption sucks, even if it isn't illegal (I wouldn't be opposed to trying to make it illegal even though I imagine it would be pretty difficult), but there is 0 evidence that this had any effect on Joe Biden or US policy, especially since this guy was protecting Burisima. And it wasn't just Biden but Obama and most of the foreign policy guys in the US and EU that wanted Shokin dismissed because of his corruption, Biden was just the guy who got to deliver the message. Later Trump and his allies were happy to buy into whatever lies the corrupt prosecutor Shokin was willing to make up abut Biden. Did they know it wasn't true? I don't know but I imagine they didn't care https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/timeline-trump-giuliani-bidens-and-ukrainegate/ https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/timeline-trump-giuliani-b...

rat87 6y ago

Biden simply gave them the message from the Obama administration and the EU They wanted the prosecutor fired because he was ridiculously corrupt and protecting/ not prosecuting corrupt companies including Burisima (I repeat he dropped the investigation into Burisima). All of this is old news and was reported on during the impeachment trial

smokebutnofire 6y ago
Biden asked for a prosecutor to be fired because he wasn't investigating the company his crackhead son received large payouts from enough huh? That's George Washington chopping down the cherry tree level of honesty and equally rooted in reality.
- rat87 6y ago
  > Biden asked for a prosecutor to be fired because he wasn't investigating the company his crackhead son received large payouts from enough huh? Yes. But it was not only that company. The corrupt prosecutor refused to investigate many corrupt companies and politicians. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what-really-happened-when-biden-forced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what... > "Shokin played the role of protecting the vested interest in the Ukrainian system," said Carpenter, who traveled with Biden to Ukraine in 2015. "He never went after any corrupt individuals at all, never prosecuted any high-profile cases of corruption." >That demonstrated that Poroshenko's administration was not sincere about tackling corruption and building strong, independent law enforcement agencies, said Heather Conley, director of the Europe program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington-based foreign policy think tank. > In July 2015, Shokin's office became mired in scandal after authorities raided homes belonging to two high-ranking prosecutors. Police seized millions of dollars worth of diamonds and cash, suggesting the pair had been taking bribes. > It became known as the "diamond prosecutors" case. Deputy General Prosecutor Vitaliy Kasko, who said he tried to investigate it, resigned months later, calling the prosecutor's office a "hotbed of corruption" and an "instrument of political pressure." > Shokin's office also stepped in to help Zlochevsky, the head of Burisma. > British authorities had frozen $23 million in a money-laundering probe, but Shokin's office failed to send documents British authorities needed to prosecute Zlochevsky. The case eventually unraveled and the assets were unfrozen. In October 2015, Ukrainians staged a protest outside Poroshenko's home calling for Shokin's removal. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what-really-happened-when-biden-forced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what... Biden's son hunter didn't play a role in it. Oh I'm sure that the company hired Biden's son in hopes of getting influence and that sort of soft corruption sucks, even if it isn't illegal (I wouldn't be opposed to trying to make it illegal even though I imagine it would be pretty difficult), but there is 0 evidence that this had any effect on Joe Biden or US policy, especially since this guy was protecting Burisima. And it wasn't just Biden but Obama and most of the foreign policy guys in the US and EU that wanted Shokin dismissed because of his corruption, Biden was just the guy who got to deliver the message. Later Trump and his allies were happy to buy into whatever lies the corrupt prosecutor Shokin was willing to make up abut Biden. Did they know it wasn't true? I don't know but I imagine they didn't care https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/timeline-trump-giuliani-bidens-and-ukrainegate/ https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/timeline-trump-giuliani-b...