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Is it true end to end or end to China to end kind of thing?

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dheera 6y ago
Zoom is not a Chinese company. They are based in San Jose, California. While they may have shut down activist accounts in China before that is more likely because they want to maintain their unblocked status in China for business reasons. It is also possible that Zoom must cooperate with Chinese authorities in providing local user information to maintain their unblocked status, that is true about all Microsoft and Apple products as well and true about several other countries besides China as well. Your information shouldn't be touching servers in China unless you are communicating to or from China. That said, personally, I don't fully trust anyone's end-to-end claims unless the client is open source OR protocol is open for third-party clients.
- president 6y ago
  > Zoom is not a Chinese company. They are based in San Jose, California. What does it matter where they are based if their operations in the US are beholden to Chinese government coercion?
  - dheera 6y ago
    A. Chinese government coercion typically only extends to users who are physically in China. They mostly just want to suppress organized political behavior. So they don't usually care about what users are talking about outside their borders. B. By not being based in China, they can publicly say something about IF it it happens to be the case otherwise, and also have the choice to exit China if they wish. If they were based in China they may be forced to keep quiet. (That said, there is also US government coercion, so it's about which evil you think is worse, I guess. I'd honestly rather they were based in Sweden or some other place.)
    - handedness 6y ago
      > Chinese government coercion typically only extends to users who are physically in China. [Significant Country X] intelligence activities are typically not limited to people who are physically in [Significant Country X].
  - est 6y ago
    What does it matter if the Chinese can always hack into servers?

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Zoom is not a Chinese company. They are based in San Jose, California. While they may have shut down activist accounts in China before that is more likely because they want to maintain their unblocked status in China for business reasons. It is also possible that Zoom must cooperate with Chinese authorities in providing local user information to maintain their unblocked status, that is true about all Microsoft and Apple products as well and true about several other countries besides China as well. Your information shouldn't be touching servers in China unless you are communicating to or from China. That said, personally, I don't fully trust anyone's end-to-end claims unless the client is open source OR protocol is open for third-party clients.

president 6y ago
> Zoom is not a Chinese company. They are based in San Jose, California. What does it matter where they are based if their operations in the US are beholden to Chinese government coercion?
- dheera 6y ago
  A. Chinese government coercion typically only extends to users who are physically in China. They mostly just want to suppress organized political behavior. So they don't usually care about what users are talking about outside their borders. B. By not being based in China, they can publicly say something about IF it it happens to be the case otherwise, and also have the choice to exit China if they wish. If they were based in China they may be forced to keep quiet. (That said, there is also US government coercion, so it's about which evil you think is worse, I guess. I'd honestly rather they were based in Sweden or some other place.)
  - handedness 6y ago
    > Chinese government coercion typically only extends to users who are physically in China. [Significant Country X] intelligence activities are typically not limited to people who are physically in [Significant Country X].
- est 6y ago
  What does it matter if the Chinese can always hack into servers?