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It absolutely is easy compared to staying and fighting for a better future. Also if you think there's anywhere you can run where things like the fascist tide, g

It absolutely is easy compared to staying and fighting for a better future. Also if you think there's anywhere you can run where things like the fascist tide, globalization, and white supremacy cant reach you you're extremely naive. It would be far better for your child to grow up in a better world, and know how to fight for that, than to grow up on some shrinking islet of comfort without learning anything from their parents except how to run. Good things don't just spring up out of nowhere, they're built and fought for. Furthermore, the people of comfort in the US (read: the people who have the means necessary to leave) are largely the same people who have benefited from this extremely racist/violent system. That is almost true by definition... For those they very people who are most comfortable because of the exploitation in this country to deem it 'too uncomfortable' and leave is just incredibly gross. It has been far less comfortable for the people being oppressed, who could never dream of having the means to move, than it has been for you forever.

foogazi 6y ago
> It absolutely is easy compared to staying and fighting for a better future. What is this fetish we have with fighting. How are people that don’t migrate fighting? I don’t think you managed to explain how the people that leave are to blame for the problems
- monkaiju 6y ago
  > How are people that don’t migrate fighting? Have you not noticed the uprising occurring in the US currently? That is people, who did not leave, staying and fighting. > I don’t think you managed to explain how the people that leave are to blame for the problems I'm not saying they're to blame for all of the problems. What I am saying is that people of comfort, which is a group that people who can leave are among, have historically benefited tremendously from the exploitative system that makes our country "bad." Now that its ruined here they simply want to run off, commonly to another colonial power, to live it up there. That is not a fetishisation with fighting, that is a sober observation that the masses are being oppressed and that if they want that to change they will need to confront their oppressors.
  - foogazi 6y ago
    > Have you not noticed the uprising occurring in the US currently? That is people, who did not leave, staying and fighting. I have not seen any uprising or people fighting in the US
igetspam 6y ago
You can't hide from everything (not that I intend to hide at all) but you can definitely improve your situation. As white guy, u benefit basically everywhere. Know who doesn't? Women. Know where they have more benefits than in the US? Almost everywhere. Why should we stay and fight something that us so obviously unbalanced when we can walk away and let it burn behind us? How is that my responsibility? Or my wife's? Or my daughter's? We've built a world that's so obviously not for them, that thinms they're literally thought if as incapable of making decsions for themselves, that have no chance to come out ahead (rare exceptions do not make the rule). Even worse if you're a woman of color. It's not "uncomfortable," as your condescending response claims, it's fucking dangerous. That you can't see that indicates that your pedestal is too high. Let it fail. After the fires are out and it's time to rebuild, I'll lend a hand. Until then, good luck. I'm done with this mess.
- monkaiju 6y ago
  The places that have better women's right FOUGHT FOR THEM. I'm not saying its fair, but leaving behind your comrades, whatever group you're from, isn't fair either. It literally perpetuates the colonial mindset that started this mess when privileged people think they can just "go where the grass is greener." Also do you not think a further collapse of civil rights in the US will have a global effect? It absolutely will.
  - LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
    I disagree partially. Much of those fights were enabled by wars, where the men were busy with killing each other, because other men said so. Meanwhile back home the women had to carry on in the war economy, and taking over many former male tasks. That was the primary enabler of womans rights IMO. Not that I'd been against those, just saying...

foogazi 6y ago

> It absolutely is easy compared to staying and fighting for a better future. What is this fetish we have with fighting. How are people that don’t migrate fighting? I don’t think you managed to explain how the people that leave are to blame for the problems

monkaiju 6y ago
> How are people that don’t migrate fighting? Have you not noticed the uprising occurring in the US currently? That is people, who did not leave, staying and fighting. > I don’t think you managed to explain how the people that leave are to blame for the problems I'm not saying they're to blame for all of the problems. What I am saying is that people of comfort, which is a group that people who can leave are among, have historically benefited tremendously from the exploitative system that makes our country "bad." Now that its ruined here they simply want to run off, commonly to another colonial power, to live it up there. That is not a fetishisation with fighting, that is a sober observation that the masses are being oppressed and that if they want that to change they will need to confront their oppressors.
- foogazi 6y ago
  > Have you not noticed the uprising occurring in the US currently? That is people, who did not leave, staying and fighting. I have not seen any uprising or people fighting in the US

igetspam 6y ago

You can't hide from everything (not that I intend to hide at all) but you can definitely improve your situation. As white guy, u benefit basically everywhere. Know who doesn't? Women. Know where they have more benefits than in the US? Almost everywhere. Why should we stay and fight something that us so obviously unbalanced when we can walk away and let it burn behind us? How is that my responsibility? Or my wife's? Or my daughter's? We've built a world that's so obviously not for them, that thinms they're literally thought if as incapable of making decsions for themselves, that have no chance to come out ahead (rare exceptions do not make the rule). Even worse if you're a woman of color. It's not "uncomfortable," as your condescending response claims, it's fucking dangerous. That you can't see that indicates that your pedestal is too high. Let it fail. After the fires are out and it's time to rebuild, I'll lend a hand. Until then, good luck. I'm done with this mess.

monkaiju 6y ago
The places that have better women's right FOUGHT FOR THEM. I'm not saying its fair, but leaving behind your comrades, whatever group you're from, isn't fair either. It literally perpetuates the colonial mindset that started this mess when privileged people think they can just "go where the grass is greener." Also do you not think a further collapse of civil rights in the US will have a global effect? It absolutely will.
- LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
  I disagree partially. Much of those fights were enabled by wars, where the men were busy with killing each other, because other men said so. Meanwhile back home the women had to carry on in the war economy, and taking over many former male tasks. That was the primary enabler of womans rights IMO. Not that I'd been against those, just saying...