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>This is more about Netflix throwing shows against the wall so fast they never get to see if any of them stick If they're good enough it will stick. See stran

by treis 6y ago

>This is more about Netflix throwing shows against the wall so fast they never get to see if any of them stick If they're good enough it will stick. See stranger things, house of cards, and orange is the new black for examples. The problem is that Netflix isn't very good at picking winners. They pay way more than anyone else for content and the results aren't there.

ghaff 6y ago
Haven't been able to get into Stranger Things but the other two shows started very strong. In fact, with House of Cards in particular, it was almost certainly never stronger than it was at the beginning. I think it's just a reality that in the era of streaming very few people are going to stick out a mediocre series in the hopes that it has enough good bones that the showrunners will eventually do something with them. Netflix made a lot of promises about what data would enable. There's very little indication it's helped Netflix to develop better shows.
- edgyquant 6y ago
  Stranger Things is ironically a show that should have been just its first season.
  - andoriyu 6y ago
    It should have, but that show generates revenue outside of screen.
jakelazaroff 6y ago
The problem is that they don’t give them a chance to stick. One of my favorite shows, Tuca & Bertie, was released in May 2019 and canceled in July — less than three months later. By the time I’d watched it, it was already canceled. (Luckily, it’s since been picked up by Cartoon Network).
Pet_Ant 6y ago
> See stranger things, house of cards, and orange is the new black for examples. It's easier to stick when you are early in the game and the marketplace is less crowded. Hose of Cards got a lot of extra publicity for being the first.
alistairSH 6y ago
If they're good enough it will stick. I'm arguing that isn't always true. Yes, some shows knock it out of the park in season 1. Other shows take a few seasons to really hit their stride. It appears Netflix is taking a SV/VC approach to shows. Spend big, fail fast, and count on a small number of massive hits to succeed. While this may pad revenue in the short term, I'm not convinced it's the best long-term play. If subscribers get annoyed at short production runs and inconsistent programming, they leave and go to Disney or Hulu or Amazon. Of course, I'm not in the industry at all, so I could be wrong. But, as a consumer, it is annoying to have Netflix push a few shows really hard, only to have them cancelled after 8 episodes.
- joosters 6y ago
  If a show takes a few seasons to hit its stride, there's no way I'm going to start watching it and dedicate hours of my life just waiting for it to become good. Netflix + others are trying to bankroll TV series that will have a long lifetime in their archives, and a slow-opening series would work against that. Better to reap them sooner and spend the money elsewhere.

by treis 6y ago

ghaff 6y ago

Haven't been able to get into Stranger Things but the other two shows started very strong. In fact, with House of Cards in particular, it was almost certainly never stronger than it was at the beginning. I think it's just a reality that in the era of streaming very few people are going to stick out a mediocre series in the hopes that it has enough good bones that the showrunners will eventually do something with them. Netflix made a lot of promises about what data would enable. There's very little indication it's helped Netflix to develop better shows.

edgyquant 6y ago
Stranger Things is ironically a show that should have been just its first season.
- andoriyu 6y ago
  It should have, but that show generates revenue outside of screen.

jakelazaroff 6y ago

The problem is that they don’t give them a chance to stick. One of my favorite shows, Tuca & Bertie, was released in May 2019 and canceled in July — less than three months later. By the time I’d watched it, it was already canceled. (Luckily, it’s since been picked up by Cartoon Network).

Pet_Ant 6y ago

> See stranger things, house of cards, and orange is the new black for examples. It's easier to stick when you are early in the game and the marketplace is less crowded. Hose of Cards got a lot of extra publicity for being the first.

alistairSH 6y ago

If they're good enough it will stick. I'm arguing that isn't always true. Yes, some shows knock it out of the park in season 1. Other shows take a few seasons to really hit their stride. It appears Netflix is taking a SV/VC approach to shows. Spend big, fail fast, and count on a small number of massive hits to succeed. While this may pad revenue in the short term, I'm not convinced it's the best long-term play. If subscribers get annoyed at short production runs and inconsistent programming, they leave and go to Disney or Hulu or Amazon. Of course, I'm not in the industry at all, so I could be wrong. But, as a consumer, it is annoying to have Netflix push a few shows really hard, only to have them cancelled after 8 episodes.

joosters 6y ago
If a show takes a few seasons to hit its stride, there's no way I'm going to start watching it and dedicate hours of my life just waiting for it to become good. Netflix + others are trying to bankroll TV series that will have a long lifetime in their archives, and a slow-opening series would work against that. Better to reap them sooner and spend the money elsewhere.