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Very much this. And don't forget, Venezuela isn't really led by folks that care about their people nor do the elections seem free or fair. I think one of the r

Very much this. And don't forget, Venezuela isn't really led by folks that care about their people nor do the elections seem free or fair. I think one of the real issues in doing socialist policies in the US is that the US's level of corruption and lack of care for other folks (at a government level) is more reminiscent of Venezuela and other corrupt regimes - and has been for years. There is not much trust in government and government doesn't seem keen on building such a thing. We could go and base things more off of Nordic nations, but it is going to require more transparency, front-facing government that simply works without punishing people for not being perfect, and some major trust-building. (Initiatives like the reworking of the Indiana DMV are in order: I no longer hated the DMV there, and it can be even better with some work). We don't necessarily need any of this for some socialist policies, such as health care. There are plenty of examples around the globe we can source from to customize it to our population. We can make the tax code easier for average people in most situations to deal with as well simply to remove some friction.

lki876 6y ago
> We could go and base things more off of Nordic nations They're very much capitalist though.
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  There's a meme I've seen going around. "Socialism never works." "Norway is socialist and they're doing great." "They're not socialist! They're capitalist countries with strong welfare systems." "Then let's adopt those policies!" "No, that's socialism!"
- pjc50 6y ago
  "Social democrat", which is a category that hardly anyone in the US seems to understand.
  - tehjoker 6y ago
    That term is funny because it basically means capitalism with a human face these days, but if you read Lenin, the big communists were talking about the fight for "Social Democracy" in the early 20th century. Terms get so diluted lol
- Broken_Hippo 6y ago
  Like others have pointed out, "socialist democracy" is a thing, and folks trying to pass these sorts of policies are outed as socialists in the US. Like everything else, socialism has a range of ways to see itself through. There are so many little things you just couldn't do in the US. For example, the largest dairy coop - Tine - has to distribute goods from smaller dairies. I buy my wine and liquor at a state run store, which is nicer than any liquor store I knew in the US. Health care is so much more efficient and you get things you can't have in the US: For example, they send a nurse to your house up to 6 times a day before you qualify for a nursing home. The nurse is free: The nursing home is a percentage of your pension (and everyone gets one). A bonus is that folks live longer than they did going to a nursing home sooner. The state inspects chimneys to cut down on fires. Schooling doesn't really depend on the taxes in your local area, though is run more locally (as is some of the health care), and the libraries are nation-wide and can get books from other places. Comparatively, socialist.
selimthegrim 6y ago
What happened at the Indiana DMV?

lki876 6y ago

> We could go and base things more off of Nordic nations They're very much capitalist though.

ceejayoz 6y ago
There's a meme I've seen going around. "Socialism never works." "Norway is socialist and they're doing great." "They're not socialist! They're capitalist countries with strong welfare systems." "Then let's adopt those policies!" "No, that's socialism!"
pjc50 6y ago
"Social democrat", which is a category that hardly anyone in the US seems to understand.
- tehjoker 6y ago
  That term is funny because it basically means capitalism with a human face these days, but if you read Lenin, the big communists were talking about the fight for "Social Democracy" in the early 20th century. Terms get so diluted lol
Broken_Hippo 6y ago
Like others have pointed out, "socialist democracy" is a thing, and folks trying to pass these sorts of policies are outed as socialists in the US. Like everything else, socialism has a range of ways to see itself through. There are so many little things you just couldn't do in the US. For example, the largest dairy coop - Tine - has to distribute goods from smaller dairies. I buy my wine and liquor at a state run store, which is nicer than any liquor store I knew in the US. Health care is so much more efficient and you get things you can't have in the US: For example, they send a nurse to your house up to 6 times a day before you qualify for a nursing home. The nurse is free: The nursing home is a percentage of your pension (and everyone gets one). A bonus is that folks live longer than they did going to a nursing home sooner. The state inspects chimneys to cut down on fires. Schooling doesn't really depend on the taxes in your local area, though is run more locally (as is some of the health care), and the libraries are nation-wide and can get books from other places. Comparatively, socialist.

selimthegrim 6y ago

What happened at the Indiana DMV?