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"Industrial Society and its Future", "Ride the Tiger". Good night.

by gerland 6y ago

dredmorbius 6y ago
The first is Ted. Who is the second? Evola? Any specific elements?
- gerland 6y ago
  Yes, Evola. The first few chapters about nihilism are probably the most relevant. Keep in mind that if you want to strawman this on, it's very easy. Filter out the Kali Yuga, etc. stuff if this is not to your liking and the rest is still pretty informative.
  - dredmorbius 6y ago
    Thanks.
  - Der_Einzige 6y ago
    Good old "actually I'm not a fascist, I'm a super fascist" evola...
    - gerland 6y ago
      There is nothing more than one can say about Evola that wasn't said before. You can pretty much go to his page on Wikipedia and the first few paragraphs sound like a hit piece. I will say that everything is true, even the things that I know for sure are not. It does not matter, in the end there he is, popular as never before. "The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." inb4 > Churchill was a fascist, let's tear down his statues.
    - 082349872349872 6y ago
      TIL that's at least a paraphrase, possibly even a direct quote. To be charitable, even to someone who loved hierarchy and hated raves, I'm guessing he probably meant "superfascist" not as in "supercomputer" but as in "supersonic."
  - 082349872349872 6y ago
    Evola's program (insofar as I, only 8 chapters in, have had any of it yet disclosed) reminds me somewhat of Dreher's. What did you take away as the more important positive parts of his program? Would Toole's Ignatius J. Reilly count as one of his positive nihilists? Bonus clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILSr9BbhoJQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILSr9BbhoJQ Edit: in an attempt to steelman, how's this for a much shorter, much less political, Evola? 1. Know thyself 2. Act don't react 3. Ubuntu (a person is a person through other people) or, in the Expanse's lang belta: 1. Sasa sif 2. Du fosh pash du efa 3. Nawit kapawu bera kuxaku
082349872349872 6y ago
"Ride the tiger" is an interesting title choice considering how that saying ends: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24361372 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24361372

"Industrial Society and its Future", "Ride the Tiger". Good night.

dredmorbius 6y ago

The first is Ted. Who is the second? Evola? Any specific elements?

gerland 6y ago
Yes, Evola. The first few chapters about nihilism are probably the most relevant. Keep in mind that if you want to strawman this on, it's very easy. Filter out the Kali Yuga, etc. stuff if this is not to your liking and the rest is still pretty informative.
- dredmorbius 6y ago
  Thanks.
- Der_Einzige 6y ago
  Good old "actually I'm not a fascist, I'm a super fascist" evola...
  - gerland 6y ago
    There is nothing more than one can say about Evola that wasn't said before. You can pretty much go to his page on Wikipedia and the first few paragraphs sound like a hit piece. I will say that everything is true, even the things that I know for sure are not. It does not matter, in the end there he is, popular as never before. "The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." inb4 > Churchill was a fascist, let's tear down his statues.
  - 082349872349872 6y ago
    TIL that's at least a paraphrase, possibly even a direct quote. To be charitable, even to someone who loved hierarchy and hated raves, I'm guessing he probably meant "superfascist" not as in "supercomputer" but as in "supersonic."
- 082349872349872 6y ago
  Evola's program (insofar as I, only 8 chapters in, have had any of it yet disclosed) reminds me somewhat of Dreher's. What did you take away as the more important positive parts of his program? Would Toole's Ignatius J. Reilly count as one of his positive nihilists? Bonus clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILSr9BbhoJQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILSr9BbhoJQ Edit: in an attempt to steelman, how's this for a much shorter, much less political, Evola? 1. Know thyself 2. Act don't react 3. Ubuntu (a person is a person through other people) or, in the Expanse's lang belta: 1. Sasa sif 2. Du fosh pash du efa 3. Nawit kapawu bera kuxaku

082349872349872 6y ago

"Ride the tiger" is an interesting title choice considering how that saying ends: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24361372 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24361372