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> The end of US hegemony is not some terrifying future, it's the US living like the rest of the world The issue most of the world (outside the US) worries abou

> The end of US hegemony is not some terrifying future, it's the US living like the rest of the world The issue most of the world (outside the US) worries about is not the end of their hegemony but the power vacuum that they leave behind. Despite the near plutocratic state of the current US, they at least make an attempt at having core democratic values with checks and balances and a respect for rule of Law. It is unclear if those who crave to take that soft-power away from the US will share the same ideals.

hef19898 6y ago
That and what impact a decline of democracy in would have on other western-style democracies would have.
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  Removing US regime change could very well bolster other "western-style democracies,"
  - hef19898 6y ago
    Right now I am more worried about the boost right-wing populists will get from a second Trump term. And the boost the Russians will get of it.
arethuza 6y ago
A century ago people in the UK were probably arguing about the terrible impact of the End of Empire on civilisation. Turns out that the world was rather better off without us trying to run a big chunk of it and we were better off as well. The US will be fine and might even become a better place once they stop being the most powerful country.
- siltpotato 6y ago
  I'm not ra-ra US on this issue, but "might" is operative here. The world was lucky that the marginally better US came along, and that's even granting, which I do, that the UK empire receding was good. The problem is that there is nothing guaranteeing that the successor will be better (or less worse) or worse.
boomboomsubban 6y ago
>Despite the near plutocratic state of the current US, they at least make an attempt at having core democratic values with checks and balances and a respect for rule of Law. Why the hell would the rest of the world care about these things that only matter inside the United States? The US has never made it their goal to spread these "core democratic values," has no real checks or balances internationally, and shows a complete disregard for international law.
- 542354234235 6y ago
  Except for the half a century after WWII where the US shaped international law and democratic values, and heavily shaded modern international trade and its norms and values.
  - boomboomsubban 6y ago
    >shaped international law Except they never consider themselves subject to that law, just use it to punish those they don't like. > democratic values When have they ever spread this? The amount of democratic governments we've overthrown vastly outnumbers the successful ones we've created. And that's ignoring things like Operation Gladio. >heavily shaded modern international trade Which has enriched them far more than anyone else.

hef19898 6y ago

That and what impact a decline of democracy in would have on other western-style democracies would have.

boomboomsubban 6y ago
Removing US regime change could very well bolster other "western-style democracies,"
- hef19898 6y ago
  Right now I am more worried about the boost right-wing populists will get from a second Trump term. And the boost the Russians will get of it.

arethuza 6y ago

A century ago people in the UK were probably arguing about the terrible impact of the End of Empire on civilisation. Turns out that the world was rather better off without us trying to run a big chunk of it and we were better off as well. The US will be fine and might even become a better place once they stop being the most powerful country.

siltpotato 6y ago
I'm not ra-ra US on this issue, but "might" is operative here. The world was lucky that the marginally better US came along, and that's even granting, which I do, that the UK empire receding was good. The problem is that there is nothing guaranteeing that the successor will be better (or less worse) or worse.

boomboomsubban 6y ago

>Despite the near plutocratic state of the current US, they at least make an attempt at having core democratic values with checks and balances and a respect for rule of Law. Why the hell would the rest of the world care about these things that only matter inside the United States? The US has never made it their goal to spread these "core democratic values," has no real checks or balances internationally, and shows a complete disregard for international law.

542354234235 6y ago
Except for the half a century after WWII where the US shaped international law and democratic values, and heavily shaded modern international trade and its norms and values.
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  >shaped international law Except they never consider themselves subject to that law, just use it to punish those they don't like. > democratic values When have they ever spread this? The amount of democratic governments we've overthrown vastly outnumbers the successful ones we've created. And that's ignoring things like Operation Gladio. >heavily shaded modern international trade Which has enriched them far more than anyone else.