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Two idiotic statement put together. First, probabilities application to a non-discrete systems is undefined bullshit. Second, there is no way in principle to

Two idiotic statement put together. First, probabilities application to a non-discrete systems is undefined bullshit. Second, there is no way in principle to determine a simulation, the way there is no way to determine an actual wiring of a processor from the level of code, or even that there is a processor.

smallnamespace 6y ago
> First, probabilities application to a non-discrete systems is undefined bullshit. ? Quantum mechanics strongly begs to differ—the wave function is continuous, but predictions are probabilistic.
timkam 6y ago
I agree and I really don't understand how mature researchers can engage in this type of guesswork. If we are in a simulation, our observed universe is also a simulation. Even if the real world revealed itself to us Matrix style, this "revelation" could also be a simulation. There is no way to tell. We can not falsify either of the contradicting statements "we live in a simulation" / "we do not live in a simulation". (Edit: Technically, I don't agree with your "application of probabilities to non-discrete systems" statement, but I think we get the intended meaning here.)
- drdeca 6y ago
  The revelation would falsify something at least? It would falsify “we have never been in and will never be in a simulation”, yeah? Because even if the revelation was simulated but this now isn’t, it would still involve simulation. That being said, I don’t think it is likely.
bitcharmer 6y ago
> there is no way to determine an actual wiring of a processor from the level of code True, however in a multi-processor die software can use information about heat/voltage/p-/c-states to determine which core it's currently running on. And before you ask - yes, this is used in practice for sophisticated workload distribution across cpu cores in fintech.
dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago
> there is no way to determine an actual wiring of a processor from the level of code, or even that there is a processor. Unless someone explicitly leaves a loophole - for debugging or other purposes. There is a nice scene in the recent movie Vivarium about this.

smallnamespace 6y ago

> First, probabilities application to a non-discrete systems is undefined bullshit. ? Quantum mechanics strongly begs to differ—the wave function is continuous, but predictions are probabilistic.

timkam 6y ago

I agree and I really don't understand how mature researchers can engage in this type of guesswork. If we are in a simulation, our observed universe is also a simulation. Even if the real world revealed itself to us Matrix style, this "revelation" could also be a simulation. There is no way to tell. We can not falsify either of the contradicting statements "we live in a simulation" / "we do not live in a simulation". (Edit: Technically, I don't agree with your "application of probabilities to non-discrete systems" statement, but I think we get the intended meaning here.)

drdeca 6y ago
The revelation would falsify something at least? It would falsify “we have never been in and will never be in a simulation”, yeah? Because even if the revelation was simulated but this now isn’t, it would still involve simulation. That being said, I don’t think it is likely.

bitcharmer 6y ago

> there is no way to determine an actual wiring of a processor from the level of code True, however in a multi-processor die software can use information about heat/voltage/p-/c-states to determine which core it's currently running on. And before you ask - yes, this is used in practice for sophisticated workload distribution across cpu cores in fintech.

dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago

> there is no way to determine an actual wiring of a processor from the level of code, or even that there is a processor. Unless someone explicitly leaves a loophole - for debugging or other purposes. There is a nice scene in the recent movie Vivarium about this.