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You really have to explain this to me because I'm leaving SF now even though I could save 50% off my current market rate rent if I move to a new place. What am

by vecinu 6y ago

You really have to explain this to me because I'm leaving SF now even though I could save 50% off my current market rate rent if I move to a new place. What am I missing that I haven't seen in the last 6 years? I've walked/biked the city hundreds of times up and down from GGB to Stonestown and Dogpatch. Visited every nook and cranny of the city, tried living in different neighborhoods and I have always been sorely disappointed by the rampant crime and homelessness. I made life-long friends, attended tens of meetups from hiking, to biking and tech. Tasted food from all over the world, sailed on the bay, saw all the touristy and local spots. Day-tripped all over the bay and hours in every direction. Got an amazing workplace experience that is unlikely to be rivaled anywhere else in the world. Yet, I can't ignore it forever, I end up driving through downtown to get to Sausalito or eating at a nice restaurant while this person decides I am a demon and begins screaming at me while menacingly coming towards me. I had my bike stolen from my garage, my car window broken and been threatened by a random person on the street. You really think most people haven't had enough of this? I tried my best to love SF despite all of it's serious problems but after all these years it got to me and I have to leave, no matter how cheap it would be to stay.

pengaru 6y ago
You're right, you should totally GTFO.
- vecinu 6y ago
  I'm open to hearing your experience and if maybe you're just able to overlook the excruciating human suffering that is visible day to day in the city. I think some people can tolerate it while others can't, nothing wrong with that.
  - pengaru 6y ago
    In a post Silicon Valley 2.0 SF, the city becomes more affordable and the disaster you see in the streets will substantially improve. SF was nowhere near this bad before techies flooded the place and priced everyone out of the housing market. If I'm not mistaken that's the entire premise of this thread of discussion. Are you completely blind to the relationship cost of living has to homelessness and crime?
    - vecinu 6y ago
      I see, so you're banking on the fact that the living conditions in SF will improve and it will be come desirable again. That is something we can agree on, I too look forward to such a period but I imagine it'll be 5-10 years from now and only after the local government begins doing radically different things to tackle all these problems. At that time, I too will want to return to SF since again, I love the city, the people and the environment, just not the current living conditions.
jxramos 6y ago
When discussions of housing vacancies pop up at work lots of the individuals who reside in the city report that there's open units at their apartment complexes etc. I'm really curious what the 2020 census rolls up for us in this area of California migration, etc.
- vecinu 6y ago
  I think the 2020 census will be obsolete because it was done this year... I already completed it so I'm going to show up as a SF resident even though I'm leaving before the end of the year.
  - jxramos 6y ago
    No doubt it'll be out of date, but I wouldn't call it obsolete, it'll still be useful. We had a footworker guy from the Census who went around double checking all the vacant units to ensure they didn't shirk their census obligations. They would post these shipping label looking things at the doors and door steps of the units asking them to complete their census forms by whatever deadline was listed. The guy knocked on our door asking about these neighbors to which we pointed out their moved, died, etc. For the ones who moved he got down to asking about roughly when they moved because residency counts up to some month, like April or something I forget. It was definitely earlier in the year by a few months from when he went double checking on all the residents. Depending on our memory for when the guy moved out he was going to count him as a resident even though he may not even have been in the state anymore nor filled out a census form apparently. We directed the fella to the Managers office to get more precise dates than the rough stuff we had in mind. I remember the guy seeming to be troubled and flustered that there were a boatload of vacancies he had to comb through and didn't want to invest too much time hunting down facts about various residents. We wished him well and he went on his way.

by vecinu 6y ago

pengaru 6y ago

You're right, you should totally GTFO.

vecinu 6y ago
I'm open to hearing your experience and if maybe you're just able to overlook the excruciating human suffering that is visible day to day in the city. I think some people can tolerate it while others can't, nothing wrong with that.
- pengaru 6y ago
  In a post Silicon Valley 2.0 SF, the city becomes more affordable and the disaster you see in the streets will substantially improve. SF was nowhere near this bad before techies flooded the place and priced everyone out of the housing market. If I'm not mistaken that's the entire premise of this thread of discussion. Are you completely blind to the relationship cost of living has to homelessness and crime?
  - vecinu 6y ago
    I see, so you're banking on the fact that the living conditions in SF will improve and it will be come desirable again. That is something we can agree on, I too look forward to such a period but I imagine it'll be 5-10 years from now and only after the local government begins doing radically different things to tackle all these problems. At that time, I too will want to return to SF since again, I love the city, the people and the environment, just not the current living conditions.

jxramos 6y ago

When discussions of housing vacancies pop up at work lots of the individuals who reside in the city report that there's open units at their apartment complexes etc. I'm really curious what the 2020 census rolls up for us in this area of California migration, etc.

vecinu 6y ago
I think the 2020 census will be obsolete because it was done this year... I already completed it so I'm going to show up as a SF resident even though I'm leaving before the end of the year.
- jxramos 6y ago
  No doubt it'll be out of date, but I wouldn't call it obsolete, it'll still be useful. We had a footworker guy from the Census who went around double checking all the vacant units to ensure they didn't shirk their census obligations. They would post these shipping label looking things at the doors and door steps of the units asking them to complete their census forms by whatever deadline was listed. The guy knocked on our door asking about these neighbors to which we pointed out their moved, died, etc. For the ones who moved he got down to asking about roughly when they moved because residency counts up to some month, like April or something I forget. It was definitely earlier in the year by a few months from when he went double checking on all the residents. Depending on our memory for when the guy moved out he was going to count him as a resident even though he may not even have been in the state anymore nor filled out a census form apparently. We directed the fella to the Managers office to get more precise dates than the rough stuff we had in mind. I remember the guy seeming to be troubled and flustered that there were a boatload of vacancies he had to comb through and didn't want to invest too much time hunting down facts about various residents. We wished him well and he went on his way.