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> That can easily be contrasted to Manhattan that was cleaned up by "broken windows policy". I believe this is more a just-so story than a fact. While New Yor

> That can easily be contrasted to Manhattan that was cleaned up by "broken windows policy". I believe this is more a just-so story than a fact. While New York did use the broken windows policy, they also grew the police force by 35%[1]. Rather than a special effect of the broken windows policy, it could just be with more police they were able to solve/prevent more crimes. One interesting thing about policing in the US, is that the US has fewer police than Europe and also more crime. People want to say interesting things about how politics or culture affect crime, but the simple story (where crime is high in the US because it is relatively easy to get away with it because there aren't many police) may be the best one. [1] https://www.nber.org/digest/jan03/w9061.html https://www.nber.org/digest/jan03/w9061.html

Zhenya 6y ago
Excellent. Let's get more police on the streets of SF. How many patrolmen can you hire with the ~170k avg salary of the cities paper pusher employee?
tim333 6y ago
Europe is much more inclined to improve things by providing government funded housing, education and the like.
- tupputuppu 6y ago
  I'm confused. The parent claimed the exact opposite - that we have more policing in Europe than in the US. Did you have opposite statistics?
ashtonkem 6y ago
NYC got safer at the same time large swaths of America became safer, a trend that has not yet been satisfactorily explained. These trends are far too complicated for simple explanations like “they hired more cops”.
- username90 6y ago
  NYC reduced their murder rate by an order of magnitude in just a few years. That is exceptional. There were several things that happened during these years, among them the expanded police force, much more aggressive stop and frisk to get people to stop take guns to the streets, and after the murder rate had started dropping they started with the broken window policy.

Zhenya 6y ago

Excellent. Let's get more police on the streets of SF. How many patrolmen can you hire with the ~170k avg salary of the cities paper pusher employee?

tim333 6y ago

Europe is much more inclined to improve things by providing government funded housing, education and the like.

tupputuppu 6y ago
I'm confused. The parent claimed the exact opposite - that we have more policing in Europe than in the US. Did you have opposite statistics?

ashtonkem 6y ago

NYC got safer at the same time large swaths of America became safer, a trend that has not yet been satisfactorily explained. These trends are far too complicated for simple explanations like “they hired more cops”.

username90 6y ago
NYC reduced their murder rate by an order of magnitude in just a few years. That is exceptional. There were several things that happened during these years, among them the expanded police force, much more aggressive stop and frisk to get people to stop take guns to the streets, and after the murder rate had started dropping they started with the broken window policy.