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The real link is https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/jad7rp/upgrade_culture_is_unethical_and_toxic/ https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/jad7rp/upgrade

by znpy 6y ago

The real link is https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/jad7rp/upgrade_culture_is_unethical_and_toxic/ https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/jad7rp/upgrade_cult... Now... Good luck getting the average apple users listening to that.

mikewarot 6y ago
The average Apple user is trapped. Apple runs an ecosystem that enforces obsolescence at an obscene rate. In a few years, they won't be able to get apps or system updates, and their battery will begin to be insufficient. They will then face a choice of "upgrade", or the conversion costs of escaping the system, which can be extreme.
- square_usual 6y ago
  Saying that the Apple enforces obsolescence when their phones have support for much longer than most Android flagships is insane.
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  - WalterGR 6y ago
    As an iPhone and Macbook Pro user since 2015 (formerly Motorola Android phone and Windows desktop) I feel like I'm constantly walking on Apple's upgrade treadmill. That iOS is available for install on older devices is only one data point across the entirety of the Apple ecosystem. And the Apple ecosystem is only one of many, so if one entertains the premise of this post, Apple being 'better' than Android in this specific way doesn't disprove the premise. Also note that simply being able to install new(er) iOSes on older devices is only part of the battle. I upgraded my iPhone 6 to its point of obsolescence: what was once an absolute joy to use became so slow that using it for even basic web browsing was a painful chore. One could argue that the availability of OS upgrades for old devices combined with Apple's reluctance to ever back-port security and core functionality fixes makes the treadmill worse and not better.
    - znpy 6y ago
      > what was once an absolute joy to use became so slow that using it for even basic web browsing was a painful chore That's because apple slows down the CPU in order to make the battery last longer. That's a known trick to make users believe that their iPhone is somehow magical and not subject to battery wear like every other non-apple phone. Iirc there has been a class action about this. Try looking up this topic and replace the battery if you can. It might bring you a substantial performance boost.
      - WalterGR 6y ago
        Iirc there has been a class action about this. And in just amazingly classic Apple form, they added the ability to see if the device was being throttled... in a point release of the then-current major version of iOS - and did not back-port it to the previous major version. My device wasn’t being throttled. But in order to have the privilege of even CHECKING that fact, I had to upgrade the OS and move my iPhone further towards its obsolescence. (That’s kind of hyperbole... but only in that I personally didn’t upgrade the OS specifically to check whether it was throttling.)
        znpy 6y ago
        I feel your pain but in all honesty the only thing I can say is... Meh, that's what you get when you buy Apple stuff.
    - nicbou 6y ago
      That's interesting. I have a different experience. I bought my last macbook in 2012. I got a new one for the price of a battery swap in 2017, so I'm set until at least 2022, as long as their stupid keyboard lasts. My 2012 would still do the job just fine in 2020. I don't think I've ever kept a Windows laptop this long, except for my ThinkPad-turned-homeserver, which runs Linux. My iPhones were supported longer than my android devices, though they all tend to die from abuse or aging batteries, not from obsolescence.
      - 6y ago
- lykr0n 6y ago
  The only reason that happens is because the Apple Ecosystem is so integrated and known. You are basically required to get a new Android every two years if you want updates and new apps to work. iPhones can go for a lot longer then that while working perfectly fine. Android Tablets are worse. Mac OS X does seem to have a shorter lifespan compared to Windows, in part because Microsoft does a lot fewer major releases. In the time there has been 3 major Windows Versions there has been at least 6 Mac ones. You're pushed to upgrade because everyone knows about Apple's new crap, specifically their customers. You think someone who has a Samsung S20 knows what the newest phone is?

by znpy 6y ago

mikewarot 6y ago

The average Apple user is trapped. Apple runs an ecosystem that enforces obsolescence at an obscene rate. In a few years, they won't be able to get apps or system updates, and their battery will begin to be insufficient. They will then face a choice of "upgrade", or the conversion costs of escaping the system, which can be extreme.

square_usual 6y ago
Saying that the Apple enforces obsolescence when their phones have support for much longer than most Android flagships is insane.
- deleted 6y ago
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- WalterGR 6y ago
  As an iPhone and Macbook Pro user since 2015 (formerly Motorola Android phone and Windows desktop) I feel like I'm constantly walking on Apple's upgrade treadmill. That iOS is available for install on older devices is only one data point across the entirety of the Apple ecosystem. And the Apple ecosystem is only one of many, so if one entertains the premise of this post, Apple being 'better' than Android in this specific way doesn't disprove the premise. Also note that simply being able to install new(er) iOSes on older devices is only part of the battle. I upgraded my iPhone 6 to its point of obsolescence: what was once an absolute joy to use became so slow that using it for even basic web browsing was a painful chore. One could argue that the availability of OS upgrades for old devices combined with Apple's reluctance to ever back-port security and core functionality fixes makes the treadmill worse and not better.
  - znpy 6y ago
    > what was once an absolute joy to use became so slow that using it for even basic web browsing was a painful chore That's because apple slows down the CPU in order to make the battery last longer. That's a known trick to make users believe that their iPhone is somehow magical and not subject to battery wear like every other non-apple phone. Iirc there has been a class action about this. Try looking up this topic and replace the battery if you can. It might bring you a substantial performance boost.
    - WalterGR 6y ago
      Iirc there has been a class action about this. And in just amazingly classic Apple form, they added the ability to see if the device was being throttled... in a point release of the then-current major version of iOS - and did not back-port it to the previous major version. My device wasn’t being throttled. But in order to have the privilege of even CHECKING that fact, I had to upgrade the OS and move my iPhone further towards its obsolescence. (That’s kind of hyperbole... but only in that I personally didn’t upgrade the OS specifically to check whether it was throttling.)
      - znpy 6y ago
        I feel your pain but in all honesty the only thing I can say is... Meh, that's what you get when you buy Apple stuff.
  - nicbou 6y ago
    That's interesting. I have a different experience. I bought my last macbook in 2012. I got a new one for the price of a battery swap in 2017, so I'm set until at least 2022, as long as their stupid keyboard lasts. My 2012 would still do the job just fine in 2020. I don't think I've ever kept a Windows laptop this long, except for my ThinkPad-turned-homeserver, which runs Linux. My iPhones were supported longer than my android devices, though they all tend to die from abuse or aging batteries, not from obsolescence.
    - 6y ago
lykr0n 6y ago
The only reason that happens is because the Apple Ecosystem is so integrated and known. You are basically required to get a new Android every two years if you want updates and new apps to work. iPhones can go for a lot longer then that while working perfectly fine. Android Tablets are worse. Mac OS X does seem to have a shorter lifespan compared to Windows, in part because Microsoft does a lot fewer major releases. In the time there has been 3 major Windows Versions there has been at least 6 Mac ones. You're pushed to upgrade because everyone knows about Apple's new crap, specifically their customers. You think someone who has a Samsung S20 knows what the newest phone is?