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What I don't get is, why hasn't anyone stated the obvious. Why do cars have location data stored onboard? Personal information? GPS data? I have a phone, wh

What I don't get is, why hasn't anyone stated the obvious. Why do cars have location data stored onboard? Personal information? GPS data? I have a phone, which already has stupid levels of personal info in it. Who on Earth needs another phone in their car, tracking everything, watching where I drive, who I call, on and on and on. I don't get it. No one needs any of this crap in a car. Take a phone for example, terrible security updates (eg, many phones barely have them last the terms of a 2 or 3 year contract). Then? Nada! So how does that relate to my car? Lots of people keep cars for a decade. Where are my free security updates, to all aspects of these network connected, wifi enabled, cars? You think GM is going to give you a security update on a 10 year old platform? It's a car, yet it's treated like the most horrid of things by GM/others, an IOT connected device.

derekdahmer 6y ago
Most cars probably don't store that data. The opposition ad is lying about whats in your car and who can access it.
- bbarnett 6y ago
  If it's one thing I've learned over the years, it's that if someone can, and there's any profit motive, they will. In terms of storing data? 20 years ago my VW recorded a great deal, as I discovered when the dealer's repair shop said to me "So you like to drive fast, eh?". They knew precisely how fast, too. What else is stored in that black box, which is often used by insurance companies, and police, after an accident? And required to be there, by US law? Or I suppose if they decided to execute a warrant against it? These days, I'd be astonished if GPS data wasn't stored there too. And a lot more, as well. Yet I say this ; do you know? Precisely? Exactly and precisely what is stored there? Yet outside of the EDR/black box, there's the infotainment system, often with GPS data as well. Note that I 100% agree with 'right to repair'.
  - wil421 6y ago
    German vehicles are known to keep speeding data especially around redlines. I know BMW’s do this and it sounds like VW. However, I’ve never personally heard about Japanese or American cars saving redlines. Does anyone know if they do?
    - rasz 6y ago
      https://www.autogespot.com/tracking-your-car-say-goodbye-to-the-warranty https://www.autogespot.com/tracking-your-car-say-goodbye-to-...!
swiley 6y ago
All of the crap in modern cars makes me worried about my 2006 toyota dying. It bothers me how hard it is to talk to the computers in that, these new cars are an entirely new level of disturbing.

derekdahmer 6y ago

Most cars probably don't store that data. The opposition ad is lying about whats in your car and who can access it.

bbarnett 6y ago
If it's one thing I've learned over the years, it's that if someone can, and there's any profit motive, they will. In terms of storing data? 20 years ago my VW recorded a great deal, as I discovered when the dealer's repair shop said to me "So you like to drive fast, eh?". They knew precisely how fast, too. What else is stored in that black box, which is often used by insurance companies, and police, after an accident? And required to be there, by US law? Or I suppose if they decided to execute a warrant against it? These days, I'd be astonished if GPS data wasn't stored there too. And a lot more, as well. Yet I say this ; do you know? Precisely? Exactly and precisely what is stored there? Yet outside of the EDR/black box, there's the infotainment system, often with GPS data as well. Note that I 100% agree with 'right to repair'.
- wil421 6y ago
  German vehicles are known to keep speeding data especially around redlines. I know BMW’s do this and it sounds like VW. However, I’ve never personally heard about Japanese or American cars saving redlines. Does anyone know if they do?
  - rasz 6y ago
    https://www.autogespot.com/tracking-your-car-say-goodbye-to-the-warranty https://www.autogespot.com/tracking-your-car-say-goodbye-to-...!

swiley 6y ago

All of the crap in modern cars makes me worried about my 2006 toyota dying. It bothers me how hard it is to talk to the computers in that, these new cars are an entirely new level of disturbing.