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Of no use to them, but perhaps a valuable thing they can sell to others (insurance companies, marketers, spies, etc). I'd really rather my car not gather that

Of no use to them, but perhaps a valuable thing they can sell to others (insurance companies, marketers, spies, etc). I'd really rather my car not gather that much data to start with. My phone provides all the mobile compute and navigation (and privacy invasion) I need. I don't think historical telemetry data of any kind is going to deliver extra value to me, the car owner. Every extra feature in a car is just another thing that breaks.

bbarnett 6y ago
This. This, this, this. Worse, it doesn't give you extra value, it detracts value. It's info about you, out of your control, yet unlike gmail, which is free, you've paid cold hard cash to be tracked. I think what we need is just an "everything" bill. If you pay ANYTHING for the hardware, then you control EVERYTHING. The full stack. You can't sell it, the code isn't yours, but by rights you get the full dev kit for the entire OS. This is the only way forward. The only way to stop all spying, show everything malicious being done to end users, and ensure I can repair anything borked down the road.
- bbarnett 6y ago
  Amusing, IMMEDIATE downvote by closed-source advocates.
  - nkurz 6y ago
    More likely, it's your phrasing and typography that is causing downvotes rather than your ideology. Using capitals for emphasis violates the guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html), and for many people, starting with repeated this's pattern-matches to a low quality comment. You might ask yourself if your style is conducive to the message you are trying to convey.
    - bbarnett 6y ago
      Hmm. I have my doubts re: reason, for it wasn't excessive, but point taken.
      - dmqctx 6y ago
        I don't give two flying farts how you chose to punctuate or emphasize your comment. I fully appreciated it and agree with it a lot. Unsure why downvoted as well. (Also new here, so will make note of rules).

bbarnett 6y ago

This. This, this, this. Worse, it doesn't give you extra value, it detracts value. It's info about you, out of your control, yet unlike gmail, which is free, you've paid cold hard cash to be tracked. I think what we need is just an "everything" bill. If you pay ANYTHING for the hardware, then you control EVERYTHING. The full stack. You can't sell it, the code isn't yours, but by rights you get the full dev kit for the entire OS. This is the only way forward. The only way to stop all spying, show everything malicious being done to end users, and ensure I can repair anything borked down the road.

bbarnett 6y ago
Amusing, IMMEDIATE downvote by closed-source advocates.
- nkurz 6y ago
  More likely, it's your phrasing and typography that is causing downvotes rather than your ideology. Using capitals for emphasis violates the guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html), and for many people, starting with repeated this's pattern-matches to a low quality comment. You might ask yourself if your style is conducive to the message you are trying to convey.
  - bbarnett 6y ago
    Hmm. I have my doubts re: reason, for it wasn't excessive, but point taken.
    - dmqctx 6y ago
      I don't give two flying farts how you chose to punctuate or emphasize your comment. I fully appreciated it and agree with it a lot. Unsure why downvoted as well. (Also new here, so will make note of rules).