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Hm this is making me feel old... because I used to frequent certain music newsgroups around 1995-2002, and the earliest one they have is from 2003. https://use

by chubot 6y ago

Hm this is making me feel old... because I used to frequent certain music newsgroups around 1995-2002, and the earliest one they have is from 2003. https://usenetarchives.com/threads.php?id=rec.music.makers.percussion&p=0&year=2003 https://usenetarchives.com/threads.php?id=rec.music.makers.p... Google does have some from 1998. It is this weird mix of people from 2016 replying to threads from 1998. The organization is very confusing which I'm sure contributes to the low quality. https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.makers.percussion/c/rvTbpCS6n1A https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.makers.percussion/c/rv... And what's insane is that there appear to be some flames still going on from 20 years ago ??? I vaguely recall this dude's name from back in 2002 ... I guess he must have been a prolific poster / troll, but I don't remember. But there appear to be some people trolling him. I think he did sell drums or something. https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.makers.percussion/c/Nhhy9hdTOUE https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.makers.percussion/c/Nh... Good ol' Usenet I guess ... Yeah this is insane, I search for "Rob Schuh" and this flame war has been going on for decades !!! https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.makers.percussion/c/8ZiAoTeg2rE/m/Sy6eb7y38N8J https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.makers.percussion/c/8Z...

chubot 6y ago
Wow this, is an insane life story: https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/drum-and-drummer-6431057 https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/drum-and-drummer-643105... This guy was apparently a genius drummer as a young man -- jammed with Jaco Pastorius, and a friend of John Medeski. Then a bodybuilder, steroid user (when it was legal), convicted felon, a sufferer of chronic illness, and epic Usenet flamewar participant. And deceased since 2012, but people still flame him on Usenet. https://www.drumforum.org/threads/r-i-p-rob-schuh.73509/ https://www.drumforum.org/threads/r-i-p-rob-schuh.73509/ And on top of it he also made drums. I remember that from the newsgroup: https://rec.music.makers.percussion.narkive.com/RqlLNCp4/props-to-rob-schuh-hard-bop-drums https://rec.music.makers.percussion.narkive.com/RqlLNCp4/pro... I remember the flames but about drums and steroids, but I had no idea back then ...
- ianmcgowan 6y ago
  The saying is you die twice - once when you stop breathing and again, a bit later on, when people stop flaming you on usenet ;_)
  - psychoslave 6y ago
    That seems to indicate that usenet can’t die, can it?
- deleted 6y ago
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- kazinator 6y ago
  > convicted felon It was drummed-up charges. :) > jammed with Jaco Pastorius Another tragic case, sadly.
ksaj 6y ago
I can't wait for it to eventually get back to the Joe Baptista era and the whole .loon thing. Those were awesome days.
m463 6y ago
If you feel old, I once located some posts of mine from the 80's when names started with net.* and everything was bangpaths like foo!bar!bletch hmm... here's a taste of it: https://slashdot.org/story/00/08/27/1439247/usenet-archive-from-1981 https://slashdot.org/story/00/08/27/1439247/usenet-archive-f... EDIT: Great Renaming: n. The flag day in 1987 on which all of the non-local groups on the Usenet had their names changed from the net.- format to the current multiple-hierarchies scheme. Used esp. in discussing the history of newsgroup names. “The oldest sources group is comp.sources.misc; before the Great Renaming, it was net.sources.” There is a Great Renaming FAQ on the Web. https://www.catb.org/jargon/html/G/Great-Renaming.html https://www.catb.org/jargon/html/G/Great-Renaming.html
- watersb 6y ago
  Friend at Yale was a bang-path email relay in 1987. Can't remember the structure, the actual address or how it worked.
  - markedathome 6y ago
    hu hum...digs out "Managing UUCP and Usenet" by Tim O'Reilly and Grace Todino, revised 1994. p293 " ! Should only be used when sending via UUCP. This should be the only special character in the address (called a path). The path indicates each site through which mail will be routed, starting at the left and going towards the right. Mixing ! with @ is not considered good. That is, use: uunet!ucbvax.berkeley.edu.edu!smith not: uunet!smith@ucbvax.berkeley.edu.edu" In other words because UUCP was dialup and long distance expensive, email was routed through specific known hosts, which is why sometimes people ended up with long bangpathed addresses.
gimboland 6y ago
Anyone else remember alt.sex.cost-benefits-accounting ? I swear it existed (around 1995?) but I've never been able to find any evidence for it.
- davidwritesbugs 6y ago
  Was it wisely propogated? It may not have been accepted by many peered servers. If I recall not all groups propagated to all other servers (in theory of not in practice?) so if you were not on an isp's nntp server it may have gone nowhere.
  - Someone 6y ago
    Wisely? Seems so. Widely? Probably not (what does on call this kind of typo? Reverse Freudian slip?) ‘alt’ groups typically were filtered heavily.
- bregma 6y ago
  If I recall correctly it was created at the same time as alt.sex.aluminum.baseball.bat and alt.sex.tonya.harding.spank.spank.spank, but I'm old and could be misremembering.
- m463 6y ago
  maybe someone on alt.sex.wizards would recall
- lr2025 6y ago
  Newgroup and rmgroup control messages at ftp.isc.org /pub/usenet/control/alt/alt.sex.fetish.cost.benefit.analysis.gz. See also misspelled variants alt.sex.fetish.const.benifit.analysis, alt.sex.fetish.cost.benifit.analysis.
surround 6y ago
I remember reading about a game developer who was a big time troll/flamer on Usenet for years, and who’s Wikipedia Talk page got so out of hand it had to be courtesy blanked and edit-protected at the highest level. Does anybody remember who this is? I can’t find him, despite my efforts searching for what I just described.
- AMerrit 6y ago
  That would be the notorious Derek Smart.
  - megameter 6y ago
    He's still going at it to this day on Twitter.
- anewone 6y ago
  He doesn't have a Wikipedia page, but Cleveland Blakemore certainly fits the Usenet gamedev troll profile.
  - baud147258 6y ago
    I remember reading his account of the LA riots. Very vivid, some parts that were obviously bullshit, but a few that ring true. He also got a guest appearance in Jagged Alliance 2. Or at least one of the characters (Calvin Barkmore) looks and sounds a lot like him.
encom 6y ago
groups.google.com seems to require a Google account for access. Sad.
WEngeneer 6y ago
because you are old my friend :)

by chubot 6y ago

chubot 6y ago

Wow this, is an insane life story: https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/drum-and-drummer-6431057 https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/drum-and-drummer-643105... This guy was apparently a genius drummer as a young man -- jammed with Jaco Pastorius, and a friend of John Medeski. Then a bodybuilder, steroid user (when it was legal), convicted felon, a sufferer of chronic illness, and epic Usenet flamewar participant. And deceased since 2012, but people still flame him on Usenet. https://www.drumforum.org/threads/r-i-p-rob-schuh.73509/ https://www.drumforum.org/threads/r-i-p-rob-schuh.73509/ And on top of it he also made drums. I remember that from the newsgroup: https://rec.music.makers.percussion.narkive.com/RqlLNCp4/props-to-rob-schuh-hard-bop-drums https://rec.music.makers.percussion.narkive.com/RqlLNCp4/pro... I remember the flames but about drums and steroids, but I had no idea back then ...

ianmcgowan 6y ago
The saying is you die twice - once when you stop breathing and again, a bit later on, when people stop flaming you on usenet ;_)
- psychoslave 6y ago
  That seems to indicate that usenet can’t die, can it?
deleted 6y ago
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kazinator 6y ago
> convicted felon It was drummed-up charges. :) > jammed with Jaco Pastorius Another tragic case, sadly.

ksaj 6y ago

I can't wait for it to eventually get back to the Joe Baptista era and the whole .loon thing. Those were awesome days.

m463 6y ago

If you feel old, I once located some posts of mine from the 80's when names started with net.* and everything was bangpaths like foo!bar!bletch hmm... here's a taste of it: https://slashdot.org/story/00/08/27/1439247/usenet-archive-from-1981 https://slashdot.org/story/00/08/27/1439247/usenet-archive-f... EDIT: Great Renaming: n. The flag day in 1987 on which all of the non-local groups on the Usenet had their names changed from the net.- format to the current multiple-hierarchies scheme. Used esp. in discussing the history of newsgroup names. “The oldest sources group is comp.sources.misc; before the Great Renaming, it was net.sources.” There is a Great Renaming FAQ on the Web. https://www.catb.org/jargon/html/G/Great-Renaming.html https://www.catb.org/jargon/html/G/Great-Renaming.html

watersb 6y ago
Friend at Yale was a bang-path email relay in 1987. Can't remember the structure, the actual address or how it worked.
- markedathome 6y ago
  hu hum...digs out "Managing UUCP and Usenet" by Tim O'Reilly and Grace Todino, revised 1994. p293 " ! Should only be used when sending via UUCP. This should be the only special character in the address (called a path). The path indicates each site through which mail will be routed, starting at the left and going towards the right. Mixing ! with @ is not considered good. That is, use: uunet!ucbvax.berkeley.edu.edu!smith not: uunet!smith@ucbvax.berkeley.edu.edu" In other words because UUCP was dialup and long distance expensive, email was routed through specific known hosts, which is why sometimes people ended up with long bangpathed addresses.

gimboland 6y ago

Anyone else remember alt.sex.cost-benefits-accounting ? I swear it existed (around 1995?) but I've never been able to find any evidence for it.

davidwritesbugs 6y ago
Was it wisely propogated? It may not have been accepted by many peered servers. If I recall not all groups propagated to all other servers (in theory of not in practice?) so if you were not on an isp's nntp server it may have gone nowhere.
- Someone 6y ago
  Wisely? Seems so. Widely? Probably not (what does on call this kind of typo? Reverse Freudian slip?) ‘alt’ groups typically were filtered heavily.
bregma 6y ago
If I recall correctly it was created at the same time as alt.sex.aluminum.baseball.bat and alt.sex.tonya.harding.spank.spank.spank, but I'm old and could be misremembering.
m463 6y ago
maybe someone on alt.sex.wizards would recall
lr2025 6y ago
Newgroup and rmgroup control messages at ftp.isc.org /pub/usenet/control/alt/alt.sex.fetish.cost.benefit.analysis.gz. See also misspelled variants alt.sex.fetish.const.benifit.analysis, alt.sex.fetish.cost.benifit.analysis.

surround 6y ago

I remember reading about a game developer who was a big time troll/flamer on Usenet for years, and who’s Wikipedia Talk page got so out of hand it had to be courtesy blanked and edit-protected at the highest level. Does anybody remember who this is? I can’t find him, despite my efforts searching for what I just described.

AMerrit 6y ago
That would be the notorious Derek Smart.
- megameter 6y ago
  He's still going at it to this day on Twitter.
anewone 6y ago
He doesn't have a Wikipedia page, but Cleveland Blakemore certainly fits the Usenet gamedev troll profile.
- baud147258 6y ago
  I remember reading his account of the LA riots. Very vivid, some parts that were obviously bullshit, but a few that ring true. He also got a guest appearance in Jagged Alliance 2. Or at least one of the characters (Calvin Barkmore) looks and sounds a lot like him.

encom 6y ago

groups.google.com seems to require a Google account for access. Sad.

WEngeneer 6y ago

because you are old my friend :)