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They're incredibly scummy but a super thin veneer. I don't know how anyone buys their BS. On one hand they feature grease monkeys talking about people hacking y

by jghn 6y ago

They're incredibly scummy but a super thin veneer. I don't know how anyone buys their BS. On one hand they feature grease monkeys talking about people hacking your car, I'm not sure people should be using their local mechanic for cybersecurity advice. More important, the fine print at the end makes it clear that it's the auto manufacturers sponsoring those ads, and their bias is obvious. I'll lose some faith in humanity if it doesn't pass.

ptero 6y ago
I think it will pass,but I am pretty sure that such ballot initiatives are not binding. It might pass only to be quickly forgotten.
- sfkdjf9j3j 6y ago
  There are procedural ways certain bodies can drag their feet but it is binding. Marijuana was legalized for recreational use through the same process.
- hprotagonist 6y ago
  Depends on the ballot issue. Some are binding, some are not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy_in_Massachusetts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy_in_Massachuse...
- D-Coder 6y ago
  MA ballot initiatives, if passed, become ordinary laws. The Legislature can modify or delete them, just like any other ordinary law. However since the people voted for it, the Legislature is generally reluctant to do that.
throwaway0a5e 6y ago
>I don't know how anyone buys their BS. Treat people like they're too stupid to think for themselves long enough and it becomes a self fulfilling prophesy. If the people of Massachusetts buy that crap they need only look in the mirror to find who to blame.
- hprotagonist 6y ago
  The last time anyone bothered to run a poll on this question, it was 65-35 Yes, which is roughly the same margin that Right to Repair passed by in 2012.
Nextgrid 6y ago
We live in a society where conspiracy theories based on lies, lack of knowledge or pure insanity trump actual scientific facts, and where basic health tools such as masks have been politicized. In such a society I would be (pleasantly) surprised if the majority doesn't buy this BS.
bbarnett 6y ago
What I don't get is, why hasn't anyone stated the obvious. Why do cars have location data stored onboard? Personal information? GPS data? I have a phone, which already has stupid levels of personal info in it. Who on Earth needs another phone in their car, tracking everything, watching where I drive, who I call, on and on and on. I don't get it. No one needs any of this crap in a car. Take a phone for example, terrible security updates (eg, many phones barely have them last the terms of a 2 or 3 year contract). Then? Nada! So how does that relate to my car? Lots of people keep cars for a decade. Where are my free security updates, to all aspects of these network connected, wifi enabled, cars? You think GM is going to give you a security update on a 10 year old platform? It's a car, yet it's treated like the most horrid of things by GM/others, an IOT connected device.
- derekdahmer 6y ago
  Most cars probably don't store that data. The opposition ad is lying about whats in your car and who can access it.
  - bbarnett 6y ago
    If it's one thing I've learned over the years, it's that if someone can, and there's any profit motive, they will. In terms of storing data? 20 years ago my VW recorded a great deal, as I discovered when the dealer's repair shop said to me "So you like to drive fast, eh?". They knew precisely how fast, too. What else is stored in that black box, which is often used by insurance companies, and police, after an accident? And required to be there, by US law? Or I suppose if they decided to execute a warrant against it? These days, I'd be astonished if GPS data wasn't stored there too. And a lot more, as well. Yet I say this ; do you know? Precisely? Exactly and precisely what is stored there? Yet outside of the EDR/black box, there's the infotainment system, often with GPS data as well. Note that I 100% agree with 'right to repair'.
    - wil421 6y ago
      German vehicles are known to keep speeding data especially around redlines. I know BMW’s do this and it sounds like VW. However, I’ve never personally heard about Japanese or American cars saving redlines. Does anyone know if they do?

by jghn 6y ago

ptero 6y ago

I think it will pass,but I am pretty sure that such ballot initiatives are not binding. It might pass only to be quickly forgotten.

sfkdjf9j3j 6y ago
There are procedural ways certain bodies can drag their feet but it is binding. Marijuana was legalized for recreational use through the same process.
hprotagonist 6y ago
Depends on the ballot issue. Some are binding, some are not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy_in_Massachusetts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy_in_Massachuse...
D-Coder 6y ago
MA ballot initiatives, if passed, become ordinary laws. The Legislature can modify or delete them, just like any other ordinary law. However since the people voted for it, the Legislature is generally reluctant to do that.

throwaway0a5e 6y ago

>I don't know how anyone buys their BS. Treat people like they're too stupid to think for themselves long enough and it becomes a self fulfilling prophesy. If the people of Massachusetts buy that crap they need only look in the mirror to find who to blame.

hprotagonist 6y ago
The last time anyone bothered to run a poll on this question, it was 65-35 Yes, which is roughly the same margin that Right to Repair passed by in 2012.

Nextgrid 6y ago

We live in a society where conspiracy theories based on lies, lack of knowledge or pure insanity trump actual scientific facts, and where basic health tools such as masks have been politicized. In such a society I would be (pleasantly) surprised if the majority doesn't buy this BS.

bbarnett 6y ago

What I don't get is, why hasn't anyone stated the obvious. Why do cars have location data stored onboard? Personal information? GPS data? I have a phone, which already has stupid levels of personal info in it. Who on Earth needs another phone in their car, tracking everything, watching where I drive, who I call, on and on and on. I don't get it. No one needs any of this crap in a car. Take a phone for example, terrible security updates (eg, many phones barely have them last the terms of a 2 or 3 year contract). Then? Nada! So how does that relate to my car? Lots of people keep cars for a decade. Where are my free security updates, to all aspects of these network connected, wifi enabled, cars? You think GM is going to give you a security update on a 10 year old platform? It's a car, yet it's treated like the most horrid of things by GM/others, an IOT connected device.

derekdahmer 6y ago
Most cars probably don't store that data. The opposition ad is lying about whats in your car and who can access it.
- bbarnett 6y ago
  If it's one thing I've learned over the years, it's that if someone can, and there's any profit motive, they will. In terms of storing data? 20 years ago my VW recorded a great deal, as I discovered when the dealer's repair shop said to me "So you like to drive fast, eh?". They knew precisely how fast, too. What else is stored in that black box, which is often used by insurance companies, and police, after an accident? And required to be there, by US law? Or I suppose if they decided to execute a warrant against it? These days, I'd be astonished if GPS data wasn't stored there too. And a lot more, as well. Yet I say this ; do you know? Precisely? Exactly and precisely what is stored there? Yet outside of the EDR/black box, there's the infotainment system, often with GPS data as well. Note that I 100% agree with 'right to repair'.
  - wil421 6y ago
    German vehicles are known to keep speeding data especially around redlines. I know BMW’s do this and it sounds like VW. However, I’ve never personally heard about Japanese or American cars saving redlines. Does anyone know if they do?