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Seems especially frustrating for folks who are upgrading from a non-iPhone with a non-USB-C wall wart. If you're unfortunate to end up in that situation and you

Seems especially frustrating for folks who are upgrading from a non-iPhone with a non-USB-C wall wart. If you're unfortunate to end up in that situation and you don't have a laptop with USB-C... you literally won't be able to charge your new iPhone. Especially worrying because I don't have a personal laptop with USB-C or any USB-C wall warts. I have a lot of friends who don't have any USB-C gadgets at all. Kids who finally get old enough for a phone will be in for a rude awakening.

riantogo 6y ago
Not just non-iPhone users. I have been on iPhone since it first came out. Last upgrade was 2.3 yrs ago. All the wall warts I have from past iPhones are USB-A.
julienb_sea 6y ago
To be honest this doesn't seem like that large of an issue. The primary market for this device is people who already own an iphone. They already have lightning charging capabilities in their bedroom, in their car. A new charger is pretty optional for the "main" market. There is a minority of people, like myself, who are basically entirely on USB-C and can charge my laptop, ipad and android phone all on the same cable. Including lightning to USB-C is... well, honestly, it's not that stupid because most of my charging ecosystem now is USB-C, so this very slightly lessens the blow. Slightly. Who am I kidding, I really wish it was just USB-C.
- riantogo 6y ago
  "They already have lightning charging capabilities in their bedroom, in their car": The issue is not about the lightning end of things. It is the other end. I'm an iPhone user since 2007. Not having a USB-A_to_lightning solution in the box is super inconvenient. It would have cost Apple $2 to either include a split USB-C/USB-A cable or a small USB-A_to_USB-C adapter.
  - julienb_sea 6y ago
    How is it inconvenient if, as you point out, you already have lightning infrastructure from the last 10 years of ownership? If anything, including usb-C to lightning is better for future proofing as it allows you to connect your phone to a new macbook for instance, which is capability you probably don't already have but may eventually need.

riantogo 6y ago

Not just non-iPhone users. I have been on iPhone since it first came out. Last upgrade was 2.3 yrs ago. All the wall warts I have from past iPhones are USB-A.

julienb_sea 6y ago

To be honest this doesn't seem like that large of an issue. The primary market for this device is people who already own an iphone. They already have lightning charging capabilities in their bedroom, in their car. A new charger is pretty optional for the "main" market. There is a minority of people, like myself, who are basically entirely on USB-C and can charge my laptop, ipad and android phone all on the same cable. Including lightning to USB-C is... well, honestly, it's not that stupid because most of my charging ecosystem now is USB-C, so this very slightly lessens the blow. Slightly. Who am I kidding, I really wish it was just USB-C.

riantogo 6y ago
"They already have lightning charging capabilities in their bedroom, in their car": The issue is not about the lightning end of things. It is the other end. I'm an iPhone user since 2007. Not having a USB-A_to_lightning solution in the box is super inconvenient. It would have cost Apple $2 to either include a split USB-C/USB-A cable or a small USB-A_to_USB-C adapter.
- julienb_sea 6y ago
  How is it inconvenient if, as you point out, you already have lightning infrastructure from the last 10 years of ownership? If anything, including usb-C to lightning is better for future proofing as it allows you to connect your phone to a new macbook for instance, which is capability you probably don't already have but may eventually need.