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I believe in science and I take these allegations seriously. You don't pin an attack based on what IP address it came from. You use intelligence and piece toget

I believe in science and I take these allegations seriously. You don't pin an attack based on what IP address it came from. You use intelligence and piece together clues found in the attack to build up a picture. Nations are really cautious about attribution. For Norway to officially blame Russia it just means they've found some pretty convincing evidence.

cnst 6y ago
Why is no such intelligence or convincing evidence ever shared? I really find it hard to believe that it's always Russia that's responsible for every ill in the whole flat world. We've already had the evidence declassified that the whole 2016 Russiagate hoax was entirely invented by his opponent for political purposes, and then spin out by the media out of control. But, yeah, let's still believe each nation accusing Russia of all evil!
- catawbasam 6y ago
  For evidence, read the Senate Intelligence Report: https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/docu... In the case of Norway, this could be a public signal to Russia indicating the motivation for some other action, such as the recent Su-30 friendly fire incident, the recent munitions dump explosion, dramatically enhanced IT capabilities by the Belarus opposition movement etc. So a message: "If you do this, we do that." If the acting parties know who they are, no public proof is necessary to send the message.
  - cnst 6y ago
    966 pages of random circumstantial evidence, none of it connected to the state, none of it proving actual interference, none of it establishing a motive, none of it establishing an intent? Surely, if you say something often enough, or drown the reader with irrelevant details, people will just believe it. The recently declassified documents in the last month or so, point to a very different picture on 2016, however. Meanwhile, actual election interference in 2020 by foreign nationals like Greta of Sweden -- even right after her candidate has publicly denounced Green New Deal in the first debate, and after he's openly supported Fracking in Pennsylvania -- is totally okay with everyone!
- MaximumYComb 6y ago
  I don't think I've ever seen a single cyber event attributed to Russia in my country. I see a ton of speculation in the news about other nations but never Russia. I'm going to suggest that your view that Russia is held responsible for the ills in the whole flat world is quite wrong.

cnst 6y ago

Why is no such intelligence or convincing evidence ever shared? I really find it hard to believe that it's always Russia that's responsible for every ill in the whole flat world. We've already had the evidence declassified that the whole 2016 Russiagate hoax was entirely invented by his opponent for political purposes, and then spin out by the media out of control. But, yeah, let's still believe each nation accusing Russia of all evil!

catawbasam 6y ago
For evidence, read the Senate Intelligence Report: https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/docu... In the case of Norway, this could be a public signal to Russia indicating the motivation for some other action, such as the recent Su-30 friendly fire incident, the recent munitions dump explosion, dramatically enhanced IT capabilities by the Belarus opposition movement etc. So a message: "If you do this, we do that." If the acting parties know who they are, no public proof is necessary to send the message.
- cnst 6y ago
  966 pages of random circumstantial evidence, none of it connected to the state, none of it proving actual interference, none of it establishing a motive, none of it establishing an intent? Surely, if you say something often enough, or drown the reader with irrelevant details, people will just believe it. The recently declassified documents in the last month or so, point to a very different picture on 2016, however. Meanwhile, actual election interference in 2020 by foreign nationals like Greta of Sweden -- even right after her candidate has publicly denounced Green New Deal in the first debate, and after he's openly supported Fracking in Pennsylvania -- is totally okay with everyone!
MaximumYComb 6y ago
I don't think I've ever seen a single cyber event attributed to Russia in my country. I see a ton of speculation in the news about other nations but never Russia. I'm going to suggest that your view that Russia is held responsible for the ills in the whole flat world is quite wrong.