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Anyone who believes in science can't possibly take these allegations seriously. It's beyond trivial to use proxies and malware to make it appear like your "cal
by cnst 6y ago
Anyone who believes in science can't possibly take these allegations seriously.
It's beyond trivial to use proxies and malware to make it appear like your "call is coming from inside the house". It's beyond trivial to use more than one proxy, and/or Tor, where the overall mosaic and path will not be possible to assemble.
It is so trivial that it's often the plot of every movie or TV show on the subject. When Putin was asked this question once, that was actually his reply as well -- that "our hackers" can change their IP address easily, and all the evidence anyone may have on IP addresses is basically worthless. Yet we still let the politicians trick us into believing their intelligence services have any sort of irrefutable evidence of something that's often impossible to determine outside of using secondary factors that would often not be available in these cases that involve international borders?
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Put it another way: for anyone to believe in these stories, you have to admit two directly contradicting assertions, (1), that the protection of these government systems was so good that only the best hackers of a single nation-state could have breached it, and, (2), that these best hackers of a single nation-state are so sloppy in their job that they never manage to hide their steps and shift any possible blame away from themselves.
In other words, I find it really hard to believe that these systems are properly secured, and if they are, I find it really hard to believe that people who could break them are so sloppy that they can't hide their true tracks.
- MaximumYComb 6y agoI believe in science and I take these allegations seriously. You don't pin an attack based on what IP address it came from. You use intelligence and piece together clues found in the attack to build up a picture. Nations are really cautious about attribution. For Norway to officially blame Russia it just means they've found some pretty convincing evidence.
- cnst 6y agoWhy is no such intelligence or convincing evidence ever shared? I really find it hard to believe that it's always Russia that's responsible for every ill in the whole flat world. We've already had the evidence declassified that the whole 2016 Russiagate hoax was entirely invented by his opponent for political purposes, and then spin out by the media out of control. But, yeah, let's still believe each nation accusing Russia of all evil!
- catawbasam 6y agoFor evidence, read the Senate Intelligence Report: https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/docu... In the case of Norway, this could be a public signal to Russia indicating the motivation for some other action, such as the recent Su-30 friendly fire incident, the recent munitions dump explosion, dramatically enhanced IT capabilities by the Belarus opposition movement etc. So a message: "If you do this, we do that." If the acting parties know who they are, no public proof is necessary to send the message.
- cnst 6y ago966 pages of random circumstantial evidence, none of it connected to the state, none of it proving actual interference, none of it establishing a motive, none of it establishing an intent? Surely, if you say something often enough, or drown the reader with irrelevant details, people will just believe it. The recently declassified documents in the last month or so, point to a very different picture on 2016, however. Meanwhile, actual election interference in 2020 by foreign nationals like Greta of Sweden -- even right after her candidate has publicly denounced Green New Deal in the first debate, and after he's openly supported Fracking in Pennsylvania -- is totally okay with everyone!
- MaximumYComb 6y agoI don't think I've ever seen a single cyber event attributed to Russia in my country. I see a ton of speculation in the news about other nations but never Russia. I'm going to suggest that your view that Russia is held responsible for the ills in the whole flat world is quite wrong.