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That article is over a year old and Apple does not allow this anymore. Of course Google and Amazon still do. https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/28/20836760/apple

That article is over a year old and Apple does not allow this anymore. Of course Google and Amazon still do. https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/28/20836760/apple-apology-siri-audio-recordings-privacy-changes-contractors https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/28/20836760/apple-apology-si...

Grazester 6y ago
You act like if this was some kind of bug that Apple discovered and fixed. It was not. It was a conscious decision they made and would still be doing if this article was not published and there wasn't some controversy surrounding it. Yeah good for them for not doing it anymore but the point is they did and that was a year ago not a lifetime. Apple is only trying to sell you privacy since its looks good for them.
lern_too_spel 6y ago
Google also doesn't retain audio recordings by default and hasn't for longer than Apple hasn't. https://www.blog.google/products/assistant/doing-more-protect-your-privacy-assistant/ https://www.blog.google/products/assistant/doing-more-protec... Apple is consistently worse on privacy than alternatives. Don't let them get away with it, or everybody will play Apple's game of just pretending that they care about privacy.
- Bud 6y ago
  Apple is consistently better on privacy, actually, than competitors. Not sure which competitors you are talking about or which issues/products, but you're way, way off-base. And for obvious reasons: Amazon and Google need to gather user data to survive because they don't make any profitable hardware. Apple doesn't need your data, plus, they have a real and honest commitment to privacy. It's not even a close call, really.
  - lern_too_spel 6y ago
    > Apple is consistently better on privacy, actually, than competitors. Among Apple, Amazon, and Google; only Apple's phones and tablets send your location to Apple every time you use GPS (even if you're not using an Apple app like Apple Maps!). Among those three companies, only Apple requires you to tell Apple every app you install. Among those three companies, only Apple requires you to further associate your banking details with all that data collection if you want to develop apps for your own device. That is not an honest commitment to privacy. The other two companies let you opt out of all data collection entirely on your devices. You're absolutely right that it's not a close call. To millstone because downvotes prevent me from replying: that is data that the users voluntarily gave Google (like their email and documents), and Google collects that data from its services on iOS as well. On Android, you don't have to give Google any of your data at all. It even makes it easy to not send data to Google by letting you choose a default maps application, browser, etc. Compare to Apple, where you must give your location data to Apple if you want to know where you are on iOS, and there is nothing you can do about it. One is clearly worse. Making light of not being able to develop apps for your own devices without handing over banking details is something I never thought I would see on a forum for technologists.
    - Doctor_Fegg 6y ago
      > only Apple's phones and tablets send your location to Apple every time you use GPS Impressed they can do that when I’m using offline mapping in an area with no mobile signal.
      - lern_too_spel 6y ago
        It gets stored on the device and sent when you are back online. On an Amazon or Google Android device, you can use a truly offline mapping app that doesn't send data to anybody. Even better, you can set that as your default map provider if you like. To sibling commenter: my comment is based on a correct understanding of Location Services, not on anything to do with Find My Device. You don't have to put words in my mouth, especially when I have already explained it using my own words elsewhere in the thread.
      - 6y ago
  - bduerst 6y ago
    >Apple doesn't need your data, plus, they have a real and honest commitment to privacy. Since you opened that door: Apple shares personal user data with the Chinese government. Call it what you will, but it's not a 'real honest commitment to privacy'. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/apple-privacy-betrayal-for-chinese-icloud-users/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/apple-privacy...

Grazester 6y ago

You act like if this was some kind of bug that Apple discovered and fixed. It was not. It was a conscious decision they made and would still be doing if this article was not published and there wasn't some controversy surrounding it. Yeah good for them for not doing it anymore but the point is they did and that was a year ago not a lifetime. Apple is only trying to sell you privacy since its looks good for them.

lern_too_spel 6y ago

Google also doesn't retain audio recordings by default and hasn't for longer than Apple hasn't. https://www.blog.google/products/assistant/doing-more-protect-your-privacy-assistant/ https://www.blog.google/products/assistant/doing-more-protec... Apple is consistently worse on privacy than alternatives. Don't let them get away with it, or everybody will play Apple's game of just pretending that they care about privacy.

Bud 6y ago
Apple is consistently better on privacy, actually, than competitors. Not sure which competitors you are talking about or which issues/products, but you're way, way off-base. And for obvious reasons: Amazon and Google need to gather user data to survive because they don't make any profitable hardware. Apple doesn't need your data, plus, they have a real and honest commitment to privacy. It's not even a close call, really.
- lern_too_spel 6y ago
  > Apple is consistently better on privacy, actually, than competitors. Among Apple, Amazon, and Google; only Apple's phones and tablets send your location to Apple every time you use GPS (even if you're not using an Apple app like Apple Maps!). Among those three companies, only Apple requires you to tell Apple every app you install. Among those three companies, only Apple requires you to further associate your banking details with all that data collection if you want to develop apps for your own device. That is not an honest commitment to privacy. The other two companies let you opt out of all data collection entirely on your devices. You're absolutely right that it's not a close call. To millstone because downvotes prevent me from replying: that is data that the users voluntarily gave Google (like their email and documents), and Google collects that data from its services on iOS as well. On Android, you don't have to give Google any of your data at all. It even makes it easy to not send data to Google by letting you choose a default maps application, browser, etc. Compare to Apple, where you must give your location data to Apple if you want to know where you are on iOS, and there is nothing you can do about it. One is clearly worse. Making light of not being able to develop apps for your own devices without handing over banking details is something I never thought I would see on a forum for technologists.
  - Doctor_Fegg 6y ago
    > only Apple's phones and tablets send your location to Apple every time you use GPS Impressed they can do that when I’m using offline mapping in an area with no mobile signal.
    - lern_too_spel 6y ago
      It gets stored on the device and sent when you are back online. On an Amazon or Google Android device, you can use a truly offline mapping app that doesn't send data to anybody. Even better, you can set that as your default map provider if you like. To sibling commenter: my comment is based on a correct understanding of Location Services, not on anything to do with Find My Device. You don't have to put words in my mouth, especially when I have already explained it using my own words elsewhere in the thread.
    - 6y ago
- bduerst 6y ago
  >Apple doesn't need your data, plus, they have a real and honest commitment to privacy. Since you opened that door: Apple shares personal user data with the Chinese government. Call it what you will, but it's not a 'real honest commitment to privacy'. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/apple-privacy-betrayal-for-chinese-icloud-users/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/apple-privacy...