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You're not mentioning the fact that Allende's government did not respect the laws and was declared unconstitutional by congress[1]. [1] https://obtienearchivo.

You're not mentioning the fact that Allende's government did not respect the laws and was declared unconstitutional by congress[1]. [1] https://obtienearchivo.bcn.cl/obtienearchivo?id=documentos/10221.1/13377/1/mj_00061.pdf https://obtienearchivo.bcn.cl/obtienearchivo?id=documentos/1...

monocasa 6y ago
His political opponents sent him a letter telling him his acts were unlawful, yes. The Chilean Supreme Court who would be the body who could issue such a declaration with any legal standing did not.
- 29athrowaway 6y ago
  No, it was the congress by a substantial majority vote, not just "his political opponents". They also sent a letter to the armed forces so they enforce the constitution.
  - monocasa 6y ago
    But once again, they weren't the legal body capable of making such a determination. Also, going to throw out there that the ones screaming about how unconstitutional Allende's actions simply wholesale replaced the constitution as Pinochet took power.
    - 29athrowaway 6y ago
      I much rather prefer the events of our current timeline than a continuation of Allende's happy soviet time drunkocracy that would have meant war against neighbors and potentially a superpower. The death of millions not only 3,000. Allende believed in an armed revolution and his house had a large stash of Soviet-made weapons. He destabilized the country because he wanted his revolution at any cost. And there was a revolution, just of another flavor that he didn't like.
      - monocasa 6y ago
        Once again, Allende and the Soviets didn't get along. And yes, while I'm sure you prefer the events as they occurred, I take a different approach of preferring democracy and peaceful transitions of power rather than the aristocracy killing presidents they don't agree with.
        29athrowaway 6y ago
        Vasili Mitrokhin (KGB archivist) and Christopher Andrew (MI5) say in one of their books that KGB provided over $450,000 to Allende. Mitrokhin worked 30 years for the KGB and defected to the UK in 1992, bringing a collection of notes now known as the Mitrokhin archive. These notes contain the facts I am mentioning. Some of the funds sent to Allende were raised by KGB director Yuri Andropov himself, the guy that then went to become the 6th paramount leader of the Soviet Union. After Allende was overthrown, the Soviet Union refused to play Chile in the 1974 FIFA World Cup for political reasons. The KGB directly supported Allende, and Allende directly received help from them. It's well documented.
        monocasa 6y ago
        You realize the $450k is next to nothing at the level of nation states, right? That was something like ten man years of engineer time. That's a rounding error as far as these states are concerned. And them refusing to play Pinochet's government says more that they don't like a brutal fascist (surprise surprise) than any support for Allende.
        29athrowaway 6y ago
        $450,000 1970 dollars are $3 million 2020 dollars. And in 1970 Chile you could do a lot with today's equivalent of $3,000,000. And everything else you said is pretty much pretentious nonsense. If you want to join a personality cult, at least follow someone worth following not a failed alcoholic communist sponsored by the KGB. I bet Allende met Stafford Beer by accident while looking for beer.
  - csb6 6y ago
    > [Allende] noted that the declaration had not obtained the two-thirds Senate majority "constitutionally required" to convict the president of abuse of power: essentially, the Congress was "invoking the intervention of the armed forces and of Order against a democratically elected government" and "subordinat[ing] political representation of national sovereignty to the armed institutions, which neither can nor ought to assume either political functions or the representation of the popular will". [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chilean_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#Chamber_of_Deputies'_resolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chilean_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta...

monocasa 6y ago

His political opponents sent him a letter telling him his acts were unlawful, yes. The Chilean Supreme Court who would be the body who could issue such a declaration with any legal standing did not.

29athrowaway 6y ago
No, it was the congress by a substantial majority vote, not just "his political opponents". They also sent a letter to the armed forces so they enforce the constitution.
- monocasa 6y ago
  But once again, they weren't the legal body capable of making such a determination. Also, going to throw out there that the ones screaming about how unconstitutional Allende's actions simply wholesale replaced the constitution as Pinochet took power.
  - 29athrowaway 6y ago
    I much rather prefer the events of our current timeline than a continuation of Allende's happy soviet time drunkocracy that would have meant war against neighbors and potentially a superpower. The death of millions not only 3,000. Allende believed in an armed revolution and his house had a large stash of Soviet-made weapons. He destabilized the country because he wanted his revolution at any cost. And there was a revolution, just of another flavor that he didn't like.
    - monocasa 6y ago
      Once again, Allende and the Soviets didn't get along. And yes, while I'm sure you prefer the events as they occurred, I take a different approach of preferring democracy and peaceful transitions of power rather than the aristocracy killing presidents they don't agree with.
      - 29athrowaway 6y ago
        Vasili Mitrokhin (KGB archivist) and Christopher Andrew (MI5) say in one of their books that KGB provided over $450,000 to Allende. Mitrokhin worked 30 years for the KGB and defected to the UK in 1992, bringing a collection of notes now known as the Mitrokhin archive. These notes contain the facts I am mentioning. Some of the funds sent to Allende were raised by KGB director Yuri Andropov himself, the guy that then went to become the 6th paramount leader of the Soviet Union. After Allende was overthrown, the Soviet Union refused to play Chile in the 1974 FIFA World Cup for political reasons. The KGB directly supported Allende, and Allende directly received help from them. It's well documented.
        monocasa 6y ago
        You realize the $450k is next to nothing at the level of nation states, right? That was something like ten man years of engineer time. That's a rounding error as far as these states are concerned. And them refusing to play Pinochet's government says more that they don't like a brutal fascist (surprise surprise) than any support for Allende.
        29athrowaway 6y ago
        $450,000 1970 dollars are $3 million 2020 dollars. And in 1970 Chile you could do a lot with today's equivalent of $3,000,000. And everything else you said is pretty much pretentious nonsense. If you want to join a personality cult, at least follow someone worth following not a failed alcoholic communist sponsored by the KGB. I bet Allende met Stafford Beer by accident while looking for beer.
- csb6 6y ago
  > [Allende] noted that the declaration had not obtained the two-thirds Senate majority "constitutionally required" to convict the president of abuse of power: essentially, the Congress was "invoking the intervention of the armed forces and of Order against a democratically elected government" and "subordinat[ing] political representation of national sovereignty to the armed institutions, which neither can nor ought to assume either political functions or the representation of the popular will". [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chilean_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#Chamber_of_Deputies'_resolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chilean_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta...