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>Uh, both Japan and Chinese use different simplified glyphs. Wrong. Though there are divergences, Chinese in mainland China use simplified Chinese characters (

>Uh, both Japan and Chinese use different simplified glyphs. Wrong. Though there are divergences, Chinese in mainland China use simplified Chinese characters (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplified_Chinese_characters https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplified_Chinese_character...). Kanji is more closely related to the traditional Chinese characters (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanji#Local_developments_and_divergences_from_Chinese https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanji#Local_developments_and_d...) than the mainland simplification. >I would be surprised if you indeed learned the traditional characters while learning Japanese. Kanji is closer related, or exactly the same as traditional Chinese characters (used in HK, Taiwan, etc.) than simplified.

lifthrasiir 6y ago
My understanding of Chinese (the language) is limited, but having learned Hanja (essentially traditional one) first then learned Japanese later the divergence was already significant. Or, more quantitatively, the Joyo Kanji has 364 simplified characters out of 2,136 (~17%) [1] while the mainland China simplified probably about 2,000 out of 7,000 common characters (~28%) [2]. This divergence is not the biggest deal, but still big enough to refute the claim that Japanese is easier to learn because it's "non-simplified" (there may be other valid reasons though). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinjitai#Simplifications_in_J%C5%8Dy%C5%8D_Kanji_and_Jinmeiy%C5%8D_Kanji https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinjitai#Simplifications_in_J... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplified_Chinese_characters#Method_of_simplification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplified_Chinese_characters#...
- throwaway66554 6y ago
  >Or, more quantitatively, the Joyo Kanji has 364 simplified characters out of 2,136 (~17%) [1] while the mainland China simplified probably about 2,000 out of 7,000 common characters (~28%) [2]. It's 17% and 28%, but much, much higher for the most commonly used characters, which is where the divergence between simplified and traditional grows even more. >This divergence is not the biggest deal, but still big enough to refute the claim that Japanese is easier to learn because it's "non-simplified" (there may be other valid reasons though). I didn't make that claim. Maybe your talking about another thread? It's not that it's easier to learn, it's that the path of going Japanese -> Korean -> Chinese is the easier, most logical path. The diverging simplified Chinese standard characters being a large reason behind that.

lifthrasiir 6y ago

My understanding of Chinese (the language) is limited, but having learned Hanja (essentially traditional one) first then learned Japanese later the divergence was already significant. Or, more quantitatively, the Joyo Kanji has 364 simplified characters out of 2,136 (~17%) [1] while the mainland China simplified probably about 2,000 out of 7,000 common characters (~28%) [2]. This divergence is not the biggest deal, but still big enough to refute the claim that Japanese is easier to learn because it's "non-simplified" (there may be other valid reasons though). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinjitai#Simplifications_in_J%C5%8Dy%C5%8D_Kanji_and_Jinmeiy%C5%8D_Kanji https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinjitai#Simplifications_in_J... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplified_Chinese_characters#Method_of_simplification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplified_Chinese_characters#...

throwaway66554 6y ago
>Or, more quantitatively, the Joyo Kanji has 364 simplified characters out of 2,136 (~17%) [1] while the mainland China simplified probably about 2,000 out of 7,000 common characters (~28%) [2]. It's 17% and 28%, but much, much higher for the most commonly used characters, which is where the divergence between simplified and traditional grows even more. >This divergence is not the biggest deal, but still big enough to refute the claim that Japanese is easier to learn because it's "non-simplified" (there may be other valid reasons though). I didn't make that claim. Maybe your talking about another thread? It's not that it's easier to learn, it's that the path of going Japanese -> Korean -> Chinese is the easier, most logical path. The diverging simplified Chinese standard characters being a large reason behind that.