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Just imagine if they used a standard connector on the phone... They could also eliminate the USB to Lightning cable that comes with it. Think of the environmen

Just imagine if they used a standard connector on the phone... They could also eliminate the USB to Lightning cable that comes with it. Think of the environmental benefits to being able to share a cable with other devices. How many millions of USB -> Lightning cables are they still going to be manufacturing, because they want to use Lightning for whatever reason.

earthboundkid 6y ago
Lightning predates USB C. If they switched now, everyone who has had an iPhone for years would moan about how they just obsoleted all the existing cables. It's a no-win scenario. I think they're just waiting for contactless charging to take over at this point.
- jimbob45 6y ago
  That's such a shit take. This thread is so full of shills and I don't mind eating the downvotes to call them out. https://euobserver.com/science/144538 https://euobserver.com/science/144538 Every smartphone manufacturer agreed to use a common charger except Apple, who mumbled something about "advanced functionality". They continue to exploit legal loopholes to allow themselves to be the only ones who have their own charger and, thus, the only ones who can massively profit off of their adapters (sure, others can make them, but they still have to pay the license fee). This isn't the first time they've tried to lock down their proprietary adapter - remember FireWire? We're only here because Apple made sure to obsolete everyone's cables from before they implemented Lightning. It's fine if you genuinely prefer the Lightning cable but don't pretend that this is pro-consumer when it's really Apple screwing consumers to make a quick buck.
  - kortex 6y ago
    Totally agree. Apple has often been one to change things in a way that makes the tech crowd moan. The winning situation is dump lightning and switch the iPhone to usb C - just like they did with the iPad.
  - fingerlocks 6y ago
    > who mumbled something about "advanced functionality". This isn't fair. Each lightning connector has a small chip with MFI certification info, performs the magical asymmetric pin switching for reversibility, and in some situations it informs the device of the cable's purpose and functionality. E.g., at one company we built a custom lightning cable for high-speed (at the time) RT video streamed from a consumer camera. The cable's pins could be configured ad-hoc to support data transfer (when streaming) or power transfer (charging the camera) as needed. Sure, today this can be done without a special cable and some custom USB drivers, but 8 years ago it was really cool.
    - jimbob45 6y ago
      Thanks for sharing. I still disagree but my disagreement is way less cool than your interesting use case.
  - ashildr 6y ago
    Apple has been using a common charger from the first iPhone on, there never was an iPhone charger that was not USB. Back the other brands came with a different, proprietary charger with a fixed cable for each model. Apple changed the cable once from the wide and weird dock-connector to the small and sturdy lightning port. That happened before USB-C was even invented. As a long time Apple customer I‘m quite happy with their consistency here.
  - earthboundkid 6y ago
    Good point. USB C came first, and people would be happy to have all their Lightning cables turned into garbage. Look, no one said the current state of things is good. I said no matter what Apple does there are downsides. Obviously when faced with a situation where choice A annoys customers and makes Apple more money and choice B annoys customers and makes Apple less money, they’re going to pick A. They do sometimes leave some money on the table (you used to have to pay for the OS!), but only when it makes customers happy enough to offset the loss in money with gain in good will leading to future money.
- alistairSH 6y ago
  I'd be happy if Apple was consistent with their cables. Right now, some have Lightning, some of USB-C. I hate having to carry so many cables when I travel (Lightning for phone, old brick for for Macbook, USB-C for iPad, proprietary cable for watch, USB micro for GPS).
mrcarruthers 6y ago
As much as I'd rather they just use USB-C, the problem with it is that it's not standard. None of the fast charging USB-C things are compatible with each other (device, charger, or cable). At least with Lightning there's no chance of accidentally frying your device.
- elheffe80 6y ago
  Sadly this is so true. I wish it weren't so, but here we are. USB C is a clusterfuck.

earthboundkid 6y ago

Lightning predates USB C. If they switched now, everyone who has had an iPhone for years would moan about how they just obsoleted all the existing cables. It's a no-win scenario. I think they're just waiting for contactless charging to take over at this point.

jimbob45 6y ago
That's such a shit take. This thread is so full of shills and I don't mind eating the downvotes to call them out. https://euobserver.com/science/144538 https://euobserver.com/science/144538 Every smartphone manufacturer agreed to use a common charger except Apple, who mumbled something about "advanced functionality". They continue to exploit legal loopholes to allow themselves to be the only ones who have their own charger and, thus, the only ones who can massively profit off of their adapters (sure, others can make them, but they still have to pay the license fee). This isn't the first time they've tried to lock down their proprietary adapter - remember FireWire? We're only here because Apple made sure to obsolete everyone's cables from before they implemented Lightning. It's fine if you genuinely prefer the Lightning cable but don't pretend that this is pro-consumer when it's really Apple screwing consumers to make a quick buck.
- kortex 6y ago
  Totally agree. Apple has often been one to change things in a way that makes the tech crowd moan. The winning situation is dump lightning and switch the iPhone to usb C - just like they did with the iPad.
- fingerlocks 6y ago
  > who mumbled something about "advanced functionality". This isn't fair. Each lightning connector has a small chip with MFI certification info, performs the magical asymmetric pin switching for reversibility, and in some situations it informs the device of the cable's purpose and functionality. E.g., at one company we built a custom lightning cable for high-speed (at the time) RT video streamed from a consumer camera. The cable's pins could be configured ad-hoc to support data transfer (when streaming) or power transfer (charging the camera) as needed. Sure, today this can be done without a special cable and some custom USB drivers, but 8 years ago it was really cool.
  - jimbob45 6y ago
    Thanks for sharing. I still disagree but my disagreement is way less cool than your interesting use case.
- ashildr 6y ago
  Apple has been using a common charger from the first iPhone on, there never was an iPhone charger that was not USB. Back the other brands came with a different, proprietary charger with a fixed cable for each model. Apple changed the cable once from the wide and weird dock-connector to the small and sturdy lightning port. That happened before USB-C was even invented. As a long time Apple customer I‘m quite happy with their consistency here.
- earthboundkid 6y ago
  Good point. USB C came first, and people would be happy to have all their Lightning cables turned into garbage. Look, no one said the current state of things is good. I said no matter what Apple does there are downsides. Obviously when faced with a situation where choice A annoys customers and makes Apple more money and choice B annoys customers and makes Apple less money, they’re going to pick A. They do sometimes leave some money on the table (you used to have to pay for the OS!), but only when it makes customers happy enough to offset the loss in money with gain in good will leading to future money.
alistairSH 6y ago
I'd be happy if Apple was consistent with their cables. Right now, some have Lightning, some of USB-C. I hate having to carry so many cables when I travel (Lightning for phone, old brick for for Macbook, USB-C for iPad, proprietary cable for watch, USB micro for GPS).

mrcarruthers 6y ago

As much as I'd rather they just use USB-C, the problem with it is that it's not standard. None of the fast charging USB-C things are compatible with each other (device, charger, or cable). At least with Lightning there's no chance of accidentally frying your device.

elheffe80 6y ago
Sadly this is so true. I wish it weren't so, but here we are. USB C is a clusterfuck.