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5G also enables internet of things to finally happen.

by SwiftyBug 6y ago

brianwawok 6y ago
So like, my toaster can finally get hacked?
- jrobn 6y ago
  I hate conspiracies but I honestly think the IoT concept is an extremely terrible idea and perhaps even a cultural and societal nuclear bomb.
  - ativzzz 6y ago
    IoT is much more useful for business than consumer use. For instance adding tons of sensors to expensive equipment like a fleet of trucks.
    - vbezhenar 6y ago
      It also would allow to release product with buggy and incomplete firmware because you can always push an update, right?
- karakot 6y ago
  so like like your appliances will be dumping usage data 24x365.
- tachion 6y ago
  Not if it runs NetBSD.
foepys 6y ago
I don't actually want to live in a world where everything with a battery is connected to the internet. We all know that the manufacturer will stop updating the firmware after a few months, leaving botnets to pick them up.
Nextgrid 6y ago
Has the network ever been a problem or bottleneck for the deployment of IoT, or is it just yet another bullshit buzzword pushed by the telecoms industry, similar to remote surgery/telemedicine? Most current IoT is using 2G cellular modems and seems to be fine with it given that the majority of devices don't need high bandwidth and the carriers themselves are not rationing the amount of SIMs that can be active, suggesting that there's plenty of capacity left too.
- audunw 6y ago
  It's not about network speed, it's about the power requirements, range and iSIM. With LTE-M (not sure if it's considered 5G, but it's a new LTE standard being rolled out at the same time anyway) or NB-IoT you can have devices using way less power to stay connected to the internet, and the range can be very impressive too. Of course, the bandwidth is also very low. But that's OK for things like tracking devices (they're making reindeer trackers in Finland) and basic smart watches. With eSIM or iSIM you can also make the device smaller > is using 2G cellular modems I think carriers really want to discontinue 2G eventually. It's really inefficient. They've already dropped support for 3G around here. I'm guessing it's also way more power hungry than LTE-M/NB-IoT Can you make something like this with 2G? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/airbolt/the-airbolt-gps https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/airbolt/the-airbolt-gps I don't think so...
  - conductr 6y ago
    I’m a layman on this topic but watching the Apple video it sounded like 5G has higher power requirements than LTE. He even explained how it switches between them to conserve battery. LTE when you don’t need speed and 5G when you do.
    - Foivos 6y ago
      Do not be confused. These technologies are very different to the 5G technology (called “New Radio”) the new iPhone and 5G phones in general are using. They are designed around using as little energy as possible and maintaining connectivity in very difficult conditions to the expense of speed and latency.
audunw 6y ago
Do you mean LTE-M? Is that considered 5G?
- Foivos 6y ago
  Both LTE-M and NB-IoT are considered technologies of the 5G family. Technically they are way simpler versions of LTE, but they can coexist with "normal" 4G and 5G. A 4G / 5G base station can allocate part of its radio resources to these mobile technologies. In the future, with slicing this allocation can even be dynamic. Most of the times, when people discuss how 5G will serve "massive machine type communications" they refer to LTE-M / NB-IoT.
sbierwagen 6y ago
Is that a good thing?

5G also enables internet of things to finally happen.

brianwawok 6y ago

So like, my toaster can finally get hacked?

jrobn 6y ago
I hate conspiracies but I honestly think the IoT concept is an extremely terrible idea and perhaps even a cultural and societal nuclear bomb.
- ativzzz 6y ago
  IoT is much more useful for business than consumer use. For instance adding tons of sensors to expensive equipment like a fleet of trucks.
  - vbezhenar 6y ago
    It also would allow to release product with buggy and incomplete firmware because you can always push an update, right?
karakot 6y ago
so like like your appliances will be dumping usage data 24x365.
tachion 6y ago
Not if it runs NetBSD.

foepys 6y ago

I don't actually want to live in a world where everything with a battery is connected to the internet. We all know that the manufacturer will stop updating the firmware after a few months, leaving botnets to pick them up.

Nextgrid 6y ago

Has the network ever been a problem or bottleneck for the deployment of IoT, or is it just yet another bullshit buzzword pushed by the telecoms industry, similar to remote surgery/telemedicine? Most current IoT is using 2G cellular modems and seems to be fine with it given that the majority of devices don't need high bandwidth and the carriers themselves are not rationing the amount of SIMs that can be active, suggesting that there's plenty of capacity left too.

audunw 6y ago
It's not about network speed, it's about the power requirements, range and iSIM. With LTE-M (not sure if it's considered 5G, but it's a new LTE standard being rolled out at the same time anyway) or NB-IoT you can have devices using way less power to stay connected to the internet, and the range can be very impressive too. Of course, the bandwidth is also very low. But that's OK for things like tracking devices (they're making reindeer trackers in Finland) and basic smart watches. With eSIM or iSIM you can also make the device smaller > is using 2G cellular modems I think carriers really want to discontinue 2G eventually. It's really inefficient. They've already dropped support for 3G around here. I'm guessing it's also way more power hungry than LTE-M/NB-IoT Can you make something like this with 2G? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/airbolt/the-airbolt-gps https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/airbolt/the-airbolt-gps I don't think so...
- conductr 6y ago
  I’m a layman on this topic but watching the Apple video it sounded like 5G has higher power requirements than LTE. He even explained how it switches between them to conserve battery. LTE when you don’t need speed and 5G when you do.
  - Foivos 6y ago
    Do not be confused. These technologies are very different to the 5G technology (called “New Radio”) the new iPhone and 5G phones in general are using. They are designed around using as little energy as possible and maintaining connectivity in very difficult conditions to the expense of speed and latency.

audunw 6y ago

Do you mean LTE-M? Is that considered 5G?

Foivos 6y ago
Both LTE-M and NB-IoT are considered technologies of the 5G family. Technically they are way simpler versions of LTE, but they can coexist with "normal" 4G and 5G. A 4G / 5G base station can allocate part of its radio resources to these mobile technologies. In the future, with slicing this allocation can even be dynamic. Most of the times, when people discuss how 5G will serve "massive machine type communications" they refer to LTE-M / NB-IoT.

sbierwagen 6y ago

Is that a good thing?