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I wonder how much this project could better work if it was made today, with modern technologies and without the CIA. I often wonder the same for symbolic AI esp

I wonder how much this project could better work if it was made today, with modern technologies and without the CIA. I often wonder the same for symbolic AI especially if used in a hybrid fashion with ANNs

p_l 6y ago
The real important bit was not the top end centralisation, but the local loops. Under cybersyn, as much as possible was handled as close to the ground as possible. The control room was for the grand strategy aspects that did require nationwide planning.
solumos 6y ago
Oversimplifying somewhat, but isn't that basically what Palantir is?
- monocasa 6y ago
  I'm not sure how Palantir counts as "without the CIA".
  - bmitc 6y ago
    The CIA reference in the original comment was due to the CIA's involvement in staging a coup, overthrowing the democratically elected socialist president of Chile, who ended up committing suicide as the opposition moved in on his building. (Or at least that's what I thought they were referring to.)
    - monocasa 6y ago
      I'd argue that technology like that has a habit of encoding ideological biases in a way to the point that a CIA-Thiel joint venture is probably not the best base for a socialist economic infrastructure.
- The_rationalist 6y ago
  I've read their front page and I couldn't understand if it would help solve real problems or be pure marketing BS :/ It's valued at 6billion though
  - zingplex 6y ago
    They're a private SigInt agency, so they're very helpful, but only if you're up to no good. It's one of those things that shouldn't be allowed to exist, let alone be in private hands.
- Barrin92 6y ago
  Palantir is basically building centralised data management software helping you to visualise, graph and connect entities, create ontologies and so on. that's not really what cybernetics is about. The point of Cybersyn was to build an actually fairly decentralised system in which local data is gathered, decisions are made, fed into a system that also enables high level planning, and create a short of real-time feedback loop.
bencollier49 6y ago
Dominic Cummings wants to implement it in Downing Street.

p_l 6y ago

The real important bit was not the top end centralisation, but the local loops. Under cybersyn, as much as possible was handled as close to the ground as possible. The control room was for the grand strategy aspects that did require nationwide planning.

solumos 6y ago

Oversimplifying somewhat, but isn't that basically what Palantir is?

monocasa 6y ago
I'm not sure how Palantir counts as "without the CIA".
- bmitc 6y ago
  The CIA reference in the original comment was due to the CIA's involvement in staging a coup, overthrowing the democratically elected socialist president of Chile, who ended up committing suicide as the opposition moved in on his building. (Or at least that's what I thought they were referring to.)
  - monocasa 6y ago
    I'd argue that technology like that has a habit of encoding ideological biases in a way to the point that a CIA-Thiel joint venture is probably not the best base for a socialist economic infrastructure.
The_rationalist 6y ago
I've read their front page and I couldn't understand if it would help solve real problems or be pure marketing BS :/ It's valued at 6billion though
- zingplex 6y ago
  They're a private SigInt agency, so they're very helpful, but only if you're up to no good. It's one of those things that shouldn't be allowed to exist, let alone be in private hands.
Barrin92 6y ago
Palantir is basically building centralised data management software helping you to visualise, graph and connect entities, create ontologies and so on. that's not really what cybernetics is about. The point of Cybersyn was to build an actually fairly decentralised system in which local data is gathered, decisions are made, fed into a system that also enables high level planning, and create a short of real-time feedback loop.

bencollier49 6y ago

Dominic Cummings wants to implement it in Downing Street.