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There are two reasons I haven't switched over from Android. I wish Apple would try and fix them: * The lack of a way to move Whatsapp messages between platform

There are two reasons I haven't switched over from Android. I wish Apple would try and fix them: * The lack of a way to move Whatsapp messages between platforms. (They'd just need to allow Whatsapp to use Google Drive for backup on iOS) * The lack of (physical) dual-SIM.

lotsofpulp 6y ago
I don’t see them investing in physical dual sim when the future is e-SIM.
- Nextgrid 6y ago
  eSIM gives way more control to the carriers which is not a good thing. I can take out a physical SIM, move it to a different phone, bring it abroad, lend it to someone, etc and the carrier has no say in that. With an eSIM, once it's provisioned onto a phone it can't be "extracted" and getting a new one involves the carrier, which can say no or make the process difficult/annoying, even if unintentionally.
  - jdofaz 6y ago
    I remember $10 ESN change fees, I too do not welcome eSIMs
dreamer7 6y ago
They do have physical dual SIM for certain markets. Ex: China
- juusto 6y ago
  Problem solved: moved to china (I jest)
  - ValentineC 6y ago
    I'm in Singapore. Some mobile phone stores here bring in the Hong Kong versions of the iPhones, which have physical dual SIM too. I specifically searched for and bought the physical dual SIM version of the iPhone 11 Pro, because most of the MVNOs here still don't support eSIM.
    - Nextgrid 6y ago
      Does the Chinese dual-sim iPhone have any restrictions or downsides compared to a US or EU model? I might consider it as my next step if I can let go of the iPhone 8 and its fingerprint sensor.
      - ValentineC 6y ago
        I just looked through my iPhone's emoji keyboard and it doesn't have the Taiwan flag: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-08/apple-pulls-taiwanese-flag-emoji-from-iphones-in-hong-kong https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-08/apple-pul... If I used it with any regularity, I could probably work around it with a keyboard shortcut.
        Nextgrid 6y ago
        Which region are you in and which region is your system set to? I always thought things like this were determined by which region you select when you set up the phone (or something similar like detected via GPS/network instead of being bound to the hardware itself).
        ValentineC 6y ago
        Singapore, with Singapore SIM cards. I have nothing that links to Hong Kong or China, so it's probably implemented by identifying the different phone model number of the dual SIM iPhone.
podviaznikov 6y ago
I think they have iCloud backup for whatsapp
DangerousPie 6y ago
The first one sounds more like a WhatsApp issue than an Apple issue, doesn't it?
- kevincox 6y ago
  Where you place the blame has little effect on how easy it is to move.
ActorNightly 6y ago
For me its * all phones go obsolete in about 2 years and there is no reason paying $1000 for one when I can buy one 80% as good for half the price.
- yepthatsreality 6y ago
  You’ll never get Apple fans to understand that. They will happily toss a $1000 Apple’s way yearly for a new unrepairable device to be created with rare earth metals in China, shipped across the ocean on a freighter and then turn around and tell you that paying more for a charging cable is helping save the environment. Diehards do not care about the cost, they are already paying.
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graeme 6y ago
I switched from android whatsapp to ios years ago and still have all the messages. I don’t recall how I did it, but it is definitely possible unless whatsapp locked things down.
jammmety 6y ago
Can't vouch for it, but there is software available that helps with your first issue: https://mobiletrans.wondershare.com/whatsapp/transfer-whatsapp-from-iphone-to-android.html https://mobiletrans.wondershare.com/whatsapp/transfer-whatsa...
- ValentineC 6y ago
  This only works to convert WhatsApp data from iPhone to Android, but not the other way around. I don't understand why WhatsApp won't let their iOS version access a chat backup from Google Drive.

lotsofpulp 6y ago

I don’t see them investing in physical dual sim when the future is e-SIM.

Nextgrid 6y ago
eSIM gives way more control to the carriers which is not a good thing. I can take out a physical SIM, move it to a different phone, bring it abroad, lend it to someone, etc and the carrier has no say in that. With an eSIM, once it's provisioned onto a phone it can't be "extracted" and getting a new one involves the carrier, which can say no or make the process difficult/annoying, even if unintentionally.
- jdofaz 6y ago
  I remember $10 ESN change fees, I too do not welcome eSIMs

dreamer7 6y ago

They do have physical dual SIM for certain markets. Ex: China

juusto 6y ago
Problem solved: moved to china (I jest)
- ValentineC 6y ago
  I'm in Singapore. Some mobile phone stores here bring in the Hong Kong versions of the iPhones, which have physical dual SIM too. I specifically searched for and bought the physical dual SIM version of the iPhone 11 Pro, because most of the MVNOs here still don't support eSIM.
  - Nextgrid 6y ago
    Does the Chinese dual-sim iPhone have any restrictions or downsides compared to a US or EU model? I might consider it as my next step if I can let go of the iPhone 8 and its fingerprint sensor.
    - ValentineC 6y ago
      I just looked through my iPhone's emoji keyboard and it doesn't have the Taiwan flag: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-08/apple-pulls-taiwanese-flag-emoji-from-iphones-in-hong-kong https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-08/apple-pul... If I used it with any regularity, I could probably work around it with a keyboard shortcut.
      - Nextgrid 6y ago
        Which region are you in and which region is your system set to? I always thought things like this were determined by which region you select when you set up the phone (or something similar like detected via GPS/network instead of being bound to the hardware itself).
        ValentineC 6y ago
        Singapore, with Singapore SIM cards. I have nothing that links to Hong Kong or China, so it's probably implemented by identifying the different phone model number of the dual SIM iPhone.

podviaznikov 6y ago

I think they have iCloud backup for whatsapp

DangerousPie 6y ago

The first one sounds more like a WhatsApp issue than an Apple issue, doesn't it?

kevincox 6y ago
Where you place the blame has little effect on how easy it is to move.

ActorNightly 6y ago

For me its * all phones go obsolete in about 2 years and there is no reason paying $1000 for one when I can buy one 80% as good for half the price.

yepthatsreality 6y ago
You’ll never get Apple fans to understand that. They will happily toss a $1000 Apple’s way yearly for a new unrepairable device to be created with rare earth metals in China, shipped across the ocean on a freighter and then turn around and tell you that paying more for a charging cable is helping save the environment. Diehards do not care about the cost, they are already paying.

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graeme 6y ago

I switched from android whatsapp to ios years ago and still have all the messages. I don’t recall how I did it, but it is definitely possible unless whatsapp locked things down.

jammmety 6y ago

Can't vouch for it, but there is software available that helps with your first issue: https://mobiletrans.wondershare.com/whatsapp/transfer-whatsapp-from-iphone-to-android.html https://mobiletrans.wondershare.com/whatsapp/transfer-whatsa...

ValentineC 6y ago
This only works to convert WhatsApp data from iPhone to Android, but not the other way around. I don't understand why WhatsApp won't let their iOS version access a chat backup from Google Drive.