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Very impressive technology: With those 4GB per second download speeds I can use up my entire month of data in 250 milliseconds. On a more serious note: what te
by chki 6y ago
Very impressive technology: With those 4GB per second download speeds I can use up my entire month of data in 250 milliseconds.
On a more serious note: what technology advancements will there be in the next 10-20 years that actually make 5G technology useful?
- emrehan 6y agoIt’s 4Gb/s for Gigabit
- mikkelam 6y agoArguments like these have been argued since dial up :) Probably longer. Don't worry, it won't be a problem for consumers
- whoisburbansky 6y agoWirth's Law, applied to networks? Ad-filled javascript bundles will expand to take up as much bandwidth as you give them
- llampx 6y agoJust looking at "mobile-optimized" web pages from now compared to a few years ago proves this in spades.
- Waterfall 6y agoTinfoil hats, cancer treatment, self driving cars or perhaps platoons for highways, smart homes that are easily hacked, wireless low powered implants that cause benign tumors that sue a tech company into bankrupty, but the shell company opens another 5g implant company.
- JoshGlazebrook 6y ago5G unlimited on verizon is actually not deprioritized after any GB amount.
- arcticbull 6y ago5G is for the cell carriers not the customers. Towers can simultaneously transmit to a certain number of clients at a time, so if you can get latency down and bandwidth up, you can service effectively more clients in the same period of time. With that said clients benefit too since they can shut down their power-sucking radios sooner. Think of it like turbo boost for CPUs: it's all about racing to get the link to sleep.
- chki 6y agoThanks, that sounds very useful indeed! I had only heard about impressive download and upload speeds so far but this makes a lot of sense.
- SwiftyBug 6y ago5G also enables internet of things to finally happen.
- brianwawok 6y agoSo like, my toaster can finally get hacked?
- jrobn 6y agoI hate conspiracies but I honestly think the IoT concept is an extremely terrible idea and perhaps even a cultural and societal nuclear bomb.
- Traster 6y agoThere was a lot of talk about how the number of sensors on autonomous vehicles meant many gigabytes of data per minute would be produced and transmitted by 5G back to servers to help train the systems. I'm not sure if I actually believe that, but that's certainly what people were claiming.
- jonplackett 6y agoThe claims are even more dumb, that it enables automimous cars by connecting them - would you let a car drive you around if it required a mobile connection to work properly? Nope. Note that Elon Musk / Tesla nor any other self driving car uses anything of the sort. It all needs to be running on the car. And they're managing to do self driving already without any 5G. For uploads you can just wait til the car is home and use the wifi, or slowly (though not that slowly really) upload with 4G.
- conductr 6y agoI think this is a futurist persons painting a sexy picture. In reality, it would be cool if - as we slowly approached a self driving world- the vehicles could relay real time road conditions to the cloud. This of course would enable the vehicle to be aware of upcoming road conditions. It’s not so much that the internet connection is doing the driving but it could aid it. Something simple like potholes. They show up after a rain and get fixed a few weeks later (if you’re lucky). If the car knew there was a pothole ahead and knew to drift to the left portion of the lane to avoid it that would be nice. The vehicle wouldn’t have to do real time jerky swerve reaction because it knew it was coming. Maybe next month a vehicle notices the pothole is gone, the cloud forgets about it. Something like this is the practical use of IoT on the roads.
- jonplackett 6y agoYeah that would be great - but the point is it in no way needs 5G. Putting a flag in the map where there are some potholes can be done with 3G.
- izacus 6y agoThe theory here is nice, but who here on HN does actually get good unthrottled speeds on 4G now? Will carriers just magically stop throttling 5G after they sell it?
- pi-rat 6y agoMost non-americans probably? :)
- jeroen 6y agoA few days ago I downloaded a 4.8GB MacOS update over a 4G connection. That took 25 minutes, which is an average of 3.2 MB/s. My provider claims 30 Mbit/s, so that is pretty reasonable.
- llampx 6y agoThat's great and all, but that would leave me with 0.2 GB of data for the rest of the month (Germany). Great now I just have to disable downloading of pictures and videos in Whatsapp.
- zfnmxt 6y agoI had unlimited data from O2 in Germany earlier this year. It was something like 55 euros/month without a contract. In Denmark, I get unlimited data for 18 euros/month. I don't have a wired connection; I just use my phone as a hotspot. (Both were really 1TB/month before throttling and not truly unlimited.)
- izacus 6y agoTop speed of LTE is about 300Mbps. Meaning you got about 10% of maximum bandwidth availble on LTE. Which kinda tells how 5G is also a marketing gimmick - it's theory of 2Gbps will be hugely different from actual reality you'll get when using it.
- bydo 6y agoI get ~100mbps at home over LTE, which is the same as my cable connection. Edit: In the US.
- pi-rat 6y agoIt will become cheap enough (both hardware and subscription wise) that companies can include them in basically everything. That way you can't prevent your TV from uploading data to the mothership by not connecting it to wifi. It's not a consumer technology.
- atonse 6y agoI am hoping that SOME TV manufacturer SOMEWHERE follows Apple's lead and markets a privacy-conscious TV as a feature. I have never bought a smart TV (I last bought a plasma 12 years ago), so I have managed to somehow skip the whole smartTV thing. And I'd like to continue avoiding it.
- conductr 6y agoI doubt this will happen but I’m sure there will YouTube videos on how to eradicate your tv of this plague
- mgkimsal 6y agowe've got one and have never used it for anything other than plugging in the laptop via hdmi. it just happened to be a decent deal and nice picture - the "smart" aspect was completely ignored.
- powersnail 6y agoI have a feeling that the concept of TV will be phased out. There will be iPhone, iPad, iOS-based computer, iDesk, iWall, and finally, an iHouse. You wake up to a big ceiling made out of ceramic-enhanced scratch-resistent glass screen, which artificially has emulated sunrise, so your experience of waking up is natural and absolutely amazing. Siri greets you, plays you a song, and while you brush your teeth, calmly tells you about your day, which is of course planned by an intelligent algorithm powered by the latest A42 neural chip. Bacon is crispy, and eggs are tender. What a breakfast prepared by iChef! Not to mention the special sauce that is part of your weekly gourmet discovery program. Just savory. The wall is playing you your morning news. "What day is it today?" asked Siri, cheerfully. "It's Apple Event's day!" Phew, for a second there, you thought Siri has asked you a real question. Turns out it's just rhetoric. The new A43 chip is going to blow A42 out of the water. The trade-in program is amazing. You look around the house, and the iWall looked bleak. The screen contrast-ratio on iChef is lacking. Your iToothbrush doesn't have a speaker as booming as the one in the advertisement. "Hey, Siri. I'd like pre-order the new iHouse package!" "Of course. Do you want to enroll in the trade-in program to exchange your current iHouse with a discount." "Yes, please." "Done." A month later, the trade-in team has taken away the iHouse, yet the new iHouse isn't there. There has been a delay; the iHouse was supposed to be transported by the Pixel automatic railway, but Google just cut the project last week, so everything is stuck in warehouse for now. "Damn it!" You cursed, reflected, and walked into a Samsung shop.
- amluto 6y agoThe next big JavaScript framework. The original iPhone was 2.5G and could load webpages just fine. But when a modern iPhone only has a 2.5G connection, it’s useless. All we need to make 5G critical is for webpages to start being 500+ MB for basic text plus all the associated ads, trackers, and other important features.
- coldpie 6y ago> All we need to make 5G critical is for webpages to start being 500+ MB for basic text I see you've never used GitHub before.
- snazz 6y agoI just measured 1.36 MB total transfer for a full reload on GitHub.com. Five avatars were cached in memory; their total size was under 1 MB. I'm using Safari 14.0. Do you have any measurements (maybe on another browser) that show GitHub serving particularly large pages?
- coldpie 6y agoIt was just a cheap dig, but try combining this page https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/2907 https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/2907 with this extension https://github.com/findepi/user.js/blob/master/github-expand-expand-expand.user.js https://github.com/findepi/user.js/blob/master/github-expand... to expand all of the missing comments. You'll get a lot of xfer for what is effectively just some plaintext.
- agd 6y agoThink AR glasses constantly updating with new 3D data as you walk around town. E.g. Apple are rumoured to be working on their own AR glasses for release within the next couple of years.
- dylan604 6y agoThe demo stated that iOS will only use LTE by default and only kick in to using 5G when it needs it. It will be interesting to see how it makes that decision.
- Bud 6y agoYou're off by an order of magnitude, because it's a max speed of 4Gbps. Not 4GB/sec. Bits and not bytes. Your overall point is still valid, though. Most users will get essentially zero benefit from this and data caps or throttling will kick in hilariously quickly.
- ricardobeat 6y ago> what technology advancements will there be in the next 10-20 years that actually make 5G technology useful? Real-time 3D/VR video streams. I think this will start happening immediately after release since the Pro models have LiDAR. Expect weird, interesting things to happen in games and streaming.