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> The rest of the world used to see the US as a beacon of democracy. lol wut. The US has always been a flawed democracy [0]. 0.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki

> The rest of the world used to see the US as a beacon of democracy. lol wut. The US has always been a flawed democracy [0]. 0.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

Armisael16 6y ago
The US was downgraded in 2016, per your link. That’s hardly ‘always’.
- kaesar14 6y ago
  Sounds political. We were a flawed democracy before Trump won too. Anyone forgetting we had a Presidential election decided by the Supreme Court 20 years ago?
  - Jtsummers 6y ago
    2016 was when we saw the impact of eliminating certain oversight portions the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which happened in 2012/2013. After the 2013 court decision, you saw a resurgence in voter disenfranchisement efforts. So it probably has nothing to do with Trump, but with the consequences of dropping the ability to enforce critical parts of the VRA.
capableweb 6y ago
Hear hear. As someone who grew up in Europe in a couple of different countries, one opinion has always been the same in all countries: The US is a country that likes to brag about democracy and likes to "bring democracy to others" while having a poor implementation of it themselves.
- DoofusOfDeath 6y ago
  > The US is a country that likes to brag about democracy and likes to "bring democracy to others" while having a poor implementation of it themselves. I'm a lifelong American. I know my perspective is limited, but here's my perception: - Politicians at the national level often brag in the manner you describe. (I could believe it's become less common in the last 10-20 years, but I haven't paid careful attention.) - Almost no private citizen (in my circles, at least) thinks in those terms, or at least they don't openly speak that way. The most prevalent form of nationalism that I see amongst Americans is the feeling that various groups are unfairly disadvantaged by our national leadership's tolerance of bad trade deals with China, or (less often) failure to protect American workers from having to compete with illegal immigrants for jobs. - Also, my impression is that a large majority of Americans hold our Congress and (often) Executive branches in very low regard.
  - adrianN 6y ago
    I often hear that everybody hates the government, except for the person they voted in.

Armisael16 6y ago

The US was downgraded in 2016, per your link. That’s hardly ‘always’.

kaesar14 6y ago
Sounds political. We were a flawed democracy before Trump won too. Anyone forgetting we had a Presidential election decided by the Supreme Court 20 years ago?
- Jtsummers 6y ago
  2016 was when we saw the impact of eliminating certain oversight portions the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which happened in 2012/2013. After the 2013 court decision, you saw a resurgence in voter disenfranchisement efforts. So it probably has nothing to do with Trump, but with the consequences of dropping the ability to enforce critical parts of the VRA.

capableweb 6y ago

Hear hear. As someone who grew up in Europe in a couple of different countries, one opinion has always been the same in all countries: The US is a country that likes to brag about democracy and likes to "bring democracy to others" while having a poor implementation of it themselves.

DoofusOfDeath 6y ago
> The US is a country that likes to brag about democracy and likes to "bring democracy to others" while having a poor implementation of it themselves. I'm a lifelong American. I know my perspective is limited, but here's my perception: - Politicians at the national level often brag in the manner you describe. (I could believe it's become less common in the last 10-20 years, but I haven't paid careful attention.) - Almost no private citizen (in my circles, at least) thinks in those terms, or at least they don't openly speak that way. The most prevalent form of nationalism that I see amongst Americans is the feeling that various groups are unfairly disadvantaged by our national leadership's tolerance of bad trade deals with China, or (less often) failure to protect American workers from having to compete with illegal immigrants for jobs. - Also, my impression is that a large majority of Americans hold our Congress and (often) Executive branches in very low regard.
- adrianN 6y ago
  I often hear that everybody hates the government, except for the person they voted in.