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I'm not a Londoner, I come from further south, in an area that has an almost "Received Pronunciation" way of speaking. When I moved to the US, I discovered I u

I'm not a Londoner, I come from further south, in an area that has an almost "Received Pronunciation" way of speaking. When I moved to the US, I discovered I used two bits of it really often. "Scooby", that you mentioned, and "Butchers". Butchers Hook -> Look, e.g. "If you can give me a couple of minutes, I'll take a butchers at it, see if I can see what's going on". I had to break out of that habit fairly quickly, cut down on a bunch of confusion for folks. A coworker at the time half-jokingly commented that he didn't understand half the things I said, but always figured it out from context.

tspiteri 6y ago
This reminds me of Ocean's Eleven, where everyone in the group effortlessly understood the Chinese member, but noone understood the British member when he said stuff like "We're in Barney" which he had to explain as "you know, Barney Rubble, trouble".
- JdeBP 6y ago
  A second-level joke is that in reality "barney" is slang for "argument" or "fight", which British slang got from Australia in the 1920s according to Partridge. Its introduction to Britain pre-dates the invention of the cartoon character by about four decades. In sporting slang from the century before, it used to mean a race/fight/contest that had been fixed or that was in some way unfair, a swindle. * https://archive.org/details/slangdictionarye00hottuoft/page/78/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/slangdictionarye00hottuoft/page/...
playcache 6y ago
Gis'a butchers.
Theodores 6y ago
"Butchers" was the word that made me realise how much Cockney Rhyming Slang I used and why it was not always appropriate. I had a Polish housemate and needed to speak s-l-o-w-l-y in order to be understood. Having to spend time explaining what a butcher's hook was and what Cockney Rhyming Slang was, in a word - 'whoosh!'. As the article states, multi-culturalism just leads to less use, and I am guilty of changing my ways to stay away from beloved terms, for instance 'Barnet'. A variant of the phrase 'nicely chipped Barnet' can be used to acknowledge someone having a fresh haircut. Delivered with a nod and a smile this is neither a gushing compliment (to make them feel awkward) or ignorance of their fancy new hairdo. There is an aspect of friendliness and humour to it. It just breaks the ice. Of course this is lost on anyone from outside the UK (even Americans - as you discovered - although Australians and New Zealanders get with it). As for Received Pronunciation, and 'almost'. That 'almost RP' is the pronunciation you want. RP isn't what it was, maybe Radio 4 English Accent is where it is today. People from all walks of life are okay with this 'posh' but not too posh accent. It is respectful of the person you are speaking with in much the same way as written English is respectful of the reader's time if you use spelling, punctuation and some structure. With 'posh English' it has to be with the words Orwell would use - short ones rather than long ones. Yet we have a few people in public life such as the current Prime Minister who do the exact opposite, to bamboozle people with vocabulary, making them sound 'public school posh'.

tspiteri 6y ago

This reminds me of Ocean's Eleven, where everyone in the group effortlessly understood the Chinese member, but noone understood the British member when he said stuff like "We're in Barney" which he had to explain as "you know, Barney Rubble, trouble".

JdeBP 6y ago
A second-level joke is that in reality "barney" is slang for "argument" or "fight", which British slang got from Australia in the 1920s according to Partridge. Its introduction to Britain pre-dates the invention of the cartoon character by about four decades. In sporting slang from the century before, it used to mean a race/fight/contest that had been fixed or that was in some way unfair, a swindle. * https://archive.org/details/slangdictionarye00hottuoft/page/78/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/slangdictionarye00hottuoft/page/...

playcache 6y ago

Gis'a butchers.

Theodores 6y ago

"Butchers" was the word that made me realise how much Cockney Rhyming Slang I used and why it was not always appropriate. I had a Polish housemate and needed to speak s-l-o-w-l-y in order to be understood. Having to spend time explaining what a butcher's hook was and what Cockney Rhyming Slang was, in a word - 'whoosh!'. As the article states, multi-culturalism just leads to less use, and I am guilty of changing my ways to stay away from beloved terms, for instance 'Barnet'. A variant of the phrase 'nicely chipped Barnet' can be used to acknowledge someone having a fresh haircut. Delivered with a nod and a smile this is neither a gushing compliment (to make them feel awkward) or ignorance of their fancy new hairdo. There is an aspect of friendliness and humour to it. It just breaks the ice. Of course this is lost on anyone from outside the UK (even Americans - as you discovered - although Australians and New Zealanders get with it). As for Received Pronunciation, and 'almost'. That 'almost RP' is the pronunciation you want. RP isn't what it was, maybe Radio 4 English Accent is where it is today. People from all walks of life are okay with this 'posh' but not too posh accent. It is respectful of the person you are speaking with in much the same way as written English is respectful of the reader's time if you use spelling, punctuation and some structure. With 'posh English' it has to be with the words Orwell would use - short ones rather than long ones. Yet we have a few people in public life such as the current Prime Minister who do the exact opposite, to bamboozle people with vocabulary, making them sound 'public school posh'.