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I think the best intangible that needs to be taken into account is the self-righteous points. You can't put a price on how high of a high-horse you can get on.

I think the best intangible that needs to be taken into account is the self-righteous points. You can't put a price on how high of a high-horse you can get on. Minimalism and rent-culture is just like veganism, if you dont shove it down other people's throats are you really part of the movement?

morsch 6y ago
I don't follow.
- jpetso 6y ago
  They're saying it's okay to convince people with arguments about personal sacrifices, but if it's not hurting you directly and immediately then your argument annoys them and they don't want to hear about it.
  - morsch 6y ago
    That's what they are saying? Air and noise pollution is hurting city dwellers like my family every single god damned day. The solution: move to the suburbs and get a car like everyone else. And here we are.
    - NoOneNew 6y ago
      No. If you want to bring up the value of intangibles, you then dont get to cherry pick certain intangibles that prove your point as to use them as the basis for your argument. You have to take into many intangibles, both pro and against your own stance to have a decent argument, let alone a realistic solution to the problem. And if you actually pay attention to the argument, I dont mention to do ONE thing, as you straw manned me as saying to move to the suburbs. I say everyone needs to judge their own situations in an honest and logical fashion to better choose a solution for their personal needs. Not just listen to a random elitist trying to get on their highest of high horses to shame the rest of the population in their superficial future signaling. If you live in a heavy urban area with good public transit and high parking fees, hell no, dont own a car. It's a bad idea. But to imagine the exact same solution can apply to everywhere else in the world is a sign of a small minded twat that's never experienced life outside of their tiny bubble.
      - morsch 6y ago
        > If you want to bring up the value of intangibles, you then dont get to cherry pick certain intangibles that prove your point as to use them as the basis for your argument. Literally what I felt you did and why I said to also consider environmental externalities. I did not make any argument beyond that. I also did not claim you said to move to the suburbs. No idea where you get that from. It's just a thing I'm considering doing, because I can't stand the noise and pollution in the city much longer.

morsch 6y ago

I don't follow.

jpetso 6y ago
They're saying it's okay to convince people with arguments about personal sacrifices, but if it's not hurting you directly and immediately then your argument annoys them and they don't want to hear about it.
- morsch 6y ago
  That's what they are saying? Air and noise pollution is hurting city dwellers like my family every single god damned day. The solution: move to the suburbs and get a car like everyone else. And here we are.
  - NoOneNew 6y ago
    No. If you want to bring up the value of intangibles, you then dont get to cherry pick certain intangibles that prove your point as to use them as the basis for your argument. You have to take into many intangibles, both pro and against your own stance to have a decent argument, let alone a realistic solution to the problem. And if you actually pay attention to the argument, I dont mention to do ONE thing, as you straw manned me as saying to move to the suburbs. I say everyone needs to judge their own situations in an honest and logical fashion to better choose a solution for their personal needs. Not just listen to a random elitist trying to get on their highest of high horses to shame the rest of the population in their superficial future signaling. If you live in a heavy urban area with good public transit and high parking fees, hell no, dont own a car. It's a bad idea. But to imagine the exact same solution can apply to everywhere else in the world is a sign of a small minded twat that's never experienced life outside of their tiny bubble.
    - morsch 6y ago
      > If you want to bring up the value of intangibles, you then dont get to cherry pick certain intangibles that prove your point as to use them as the basis for your argument. Literally what I felt you did and why I said to also consider environmental externalities. I did not make any argument beyond that. I also did not claim you said to move to the suburbs. No idea where you get that from. It's just a thing I'm considering doing, because I can't stand the noise and pollution in the city much longer.